#2455 - Donnell Rawlings

[00:00] The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day. [00:16] You know, like, [00:17] I've, I know it's weird. [00:19] If I eat a burger, [00:22] It's different if I eat a steak. Steak is a problem? Yeah, I don't know if my digestive system, just like you two older, fucking bust this down. I'm 58. I'm 58 too. I eat mostly meat. [00:34] I don't think it's age. [00:36] Thank you. [00:36] What is it? [00:38] Well, what are you eating it with? [00:40] uh, [00:41] Tito's. We're rolling? Tito's. Tito's vodka? It can't be that, right? No. I'm eating a steak and I wash it down. You just eat steak with Tito's? And I wash it down with Tito's and tonic because it resembles H2O so much. Sometimes I get thrown off until I do it. [00:59] What? Tito's and tonic resembles water? [01:03] The look of it. It's clear. That's all that matters to you? Yeah. I know at some point I need to change my life. I'm at the age now that it's like I look at certain food and I'm like, oh, my God, it looks good, but you know you can't handle that. I think this is when I really, really need to be in love because I need to be with somebody that understands when I go places and when I want to pig out, they got to be like, he can't eat that. He's going to be thrown up.

[01:33] A female handler. They call it geriatric. Like, this is right here. This is what the streets are saying. Most men get to an age. It's a geriatric shit. When you just smash all the women you want to do and everything, now you're going to have to worry about somebody helping you with your pill diet, helping you with your dietary needs and everything. And they say that's a lot of times when men fall in love, when they need somebody to take them to the golden ears. Or when you're about to be out of here, you need somebody to say, don't do that. [02:03] You got to chop it up. But I'm having digestive issues sometimes. With steak, huh? It's red meat, I want to say. And I'm a fan of it. So if you eat like a bowl of pasta with the Tito's, no problem? That's not a problem. Interesting. But it's definitely red meat. You should go to one of those doctors that checks people for allergies. Food doctor? Yeah. I don't want one of them to tell me. I had to date an Asian chick. [02:32] They interviewed a really, really big time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They stab you with pillows and shit. You might have pain in your neck. [02:40] Is there any particular reason, Joe, and I haven't been here in a while. Is there any particular reason why I am... [02:46] during your show during Black History Month. [02:48] No, you asked to come on. You reached out to me. You could have reached out to me in July. I would have said yes. You got an open invitation. You know that. [03:01] I don't know. I say, can I come to you? You said, this is what you told me. You said, I have a guest. And then...

[03:07] You called back. I don't know if Jamie said, you know what month this is. Right. I don't know if he and you caught me. I moved somebody. I moved somebody for you because I knew you were coming here on a Monday. I had someone booked. Was it a Caucasian person? I don't know. I don't remember. You know, it was a white man or black. No, you know what? Did I get that? Actually, it might have been Michael Jai White because he's here tomorrow. [03:29] Yeah. [03:30] So it was probably Michael. I just probably moved him a day. But I appreciate you being accommodating because I felt like it was time for me to come back. I haven't been here a while. You can come on any time. I really appreciate that. Whenever you're in town. I hold that to be true. Come on. I know that's true, too. You know I love you. Yeah. I want some of that gum, too, man. I'm sorry. The Neuro gum? Yeah. Do we have any, Jamie? I have some, yeah. [03:48] Yeah, that stuff's the shoot. I know. Whenever you say something, it's the shit, it's the shit. Yeah. Well, what can I do about my... I can't do anything about my diet. Sorry. Whoops. I hit the mic. Yeah, you can. You just... [04:00] You know, you should go to a doctor and find out if there's like there might be something particularly about you. [04:06] that red meat doesn't agree with you. But it might just be what you're eating with the red meat more than the red meat itself. [04:12] You know, that's what I would imagine. [04:15] I would imagine it's not actually red meat. I would imagine it's what you're eating with it. [04:20] Might be. [04:21] And I'm going to check into it because, as they say in the streets, I'm of that big age when you have to be considerate of a whole bunch of things. So that's what I have to do. I have to do that. Do you exercise at all? [04:33] A little bit. Usually doing sexual intercourse is when I get most of my cardio. Get your push-ups in? Yeah, and if not as strong. Damn, man.

[04:42] You have to get, I don't know if this is applied to everybody. You get to an age where you start looking at your history and you like, damn, 2000 was my best years. Like right now, I'll just give up. [04:54] you give up. I don't put no pressure in it. I give up. I start asking, like, what's your shoe size is or whatever. I'd rather go shopping than to really try to pound somebody out for three hours. I'm at that age now where I have [05:06] I call it certain times, like... [05:10] You gonna get it work? I probably shouldn't give you that gum. It's gonna come it's gonna be a real problem on the mic is it is it? People people gonna get annoyed with you. All right. I don't know what to do. Just chew it a little and spit it out. Okay. You'll get the effects of it pretty quickly anyway. [05:27] I'm at the age where my best work is like holidays. [05:31] Holidays. Like I'm an animal. Why don't you hire a trainer? [05:37] Thank you. [05:38] You got some money. And what are the trainers going to do? Get you in shape. I think I need a therapist before I get a trainer. I mean, you got to take one step at a time. I got to get my mind right before I get my body right. Wouldn't you agree? No. Getting your body right will help get your mind right. I think that's some truth to that. I think that you may be right about that. Oh, 100%. Getting your body right fixes your mind, without a doubt. But I will say I'm at my best. I'm at my peak when it's a holiday to celebrate. Because you're rested. I'm rested. [06:08] more incentive. If you want me to really smash Good Time, consider it like Valentine's Day, Christmas.

[06:17] uh [06:18] Kwanzaa you can get seven good days but to expect me to be at my best on just a regular Tuesday or a Wednesday is not gonna happen I need more incentive. Well it's also drinking you like to drink. [06:30] Why would you say that? I know why you would say that. Come on, I've seen you. All right. I've been with you. Okay. I've drank with you. Okay, then that's a good point. All right. There's cigarettes. You was there. You brought a pack with you. [06:41] Right? There's that. Those are not good. There's lack of exercise. But you used to smoke. I saw one of your podcasts... [06:49] I forget how you explained what made you... [06:54] Not want to smoke anymore. What was that? This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Paramount+. UFC history is going down at the White House. It's the world's greatest fights on America's biggest stage. Watch UFC Freedom 250 at the White House live today only on Paramount+. [07:16] This episode is brought to you by the Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. [07:27] Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know. [07:42] I buy one, the farmer's dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it. They eat it up quick. It smells good to them. It smells good to me. It's human-grade food. The farmer's dog makes fresh food for dogs, and my dogs love it. Their recipes are made with real meat and fresh vegetables that are gently cooked to retain vital nutrients. They also portion out the meals to your dog's nutritional needs, which helps avoid overfeeding and makes weight management easier

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[09:46] has a very potent instantaneous effect. And that's why people like it. But it comes with a cost. Right. The physical health, you know. [09:55] repercussions of cigarettes are well known. Yeah. Not good. And also, you're smoking Marlboros. We had a doctor on the other day that thinks that regular cigarettes are not nearly, like, American spirits are not nearly as bad for you as these. I understand that they have some type of, the American spirits, I'm not even, like, advocating for what you shouldn't smoke, but they say that's supposed to be the most natural if there's such a thing. It's just tobacco, I believe. Is that a fact? No. No? [10:25] What's in there besides tobacco? I don't know. I've been trying. I don't know how this lawsuit ended up, but they got sued for the advertising of saying it's additive-free and all that. Oh, did they? Yeah. What are the additives? I've decided. Well, let's look into it. I've tried to look. I mean there's a big – here's like the website about the lawsuit. What's the accusation? [10:44] that uh here you go sunscreen here we go lawsuit questions natural claims natural american spirit cigarettes are made by santa fe natural tobacco company and parent company reynolds america rj reynolds they fuck with you american spirits has been sold in the u.s since 1985 under the original name original american spirit organic oh you got us he fucks um [11:09] Unadulterated tobacco. Sue claims such marketing language has endeared American Spirit cigarettes to a core group of smokers who believe that the natural tobacco in the cigarette makes them a healthier alternative. Despite cigarette sales declining 17 percent between 2009 and 2014, American Spirit sales have increased 86 percent over the same period. Huzzah.

[11:39] than most other competitive brands and is differentiated from key competitors through its use of all-natural additive-free tobacco, including styles made with organic tobacco. But words like all-natural and additive-free on American Spirits labeling, the suit says, belies the fact that Santa Fe Reynolds adds ammonia to their cigarettes to maximize the amount of nicotine a smoker receives, with the result that American Spirits contain significantly more free-based nicotine than other major cigarette brands. [12:09] So you're actually getting high off of cigarettes. 100%. I get high off them because I don't smoke them all the time. [12:15] So if I smoke a couple cigarettes a week, it's a lot. And Newport's probably like 10 times worse than menthol cigarettes, probably 10 times worse than... [12:24] for you about it. I was talking to Cat about that. Yeah, I was asking him why do you like menthols? And he's like he was speaking on behalf of the black community. He said, we like things that are more potent. I believe that that's part of it, but I also believe that back in the day, and this supply, I don't know if I talk about this, it was certain brands that targeted certain communities just for the loyalty of it. And I think Newport was targeting I don't know if it was a situation when Newport [12:54] had money with advertising and everything. Because I don't know if I shared this story with you, but Pepsi was a company that did that where they targeted the black community. So I think even though I understand we said more potent, but I think it was something that was in our community, whether that was like cheaper prices or whatever. And I think it's generation and generation. Like you need to do this because black people did this because it was cheaper. I think that that might be the case for Newport. Probably both. What is the menthol effect?

[13:24] I sound like Cat Williams in that show. That's one of the reasons I had to downgrade to. Some people think that I started smoking Marlboro Lights because I started dating white women, which is more appealing. Unless you date a white woman from the Midwest, then she probably smoking Newport's and drinking Pepsi's and Coca-Cola just like you. But I got so many... [13:46] bad habits that I need to change. Here we go. Our sponsor, our AI sponsor, Perplexity says, the menthol-affected cigarettes come from the chemical menthol itself, which is added as a flavoring and a sensory agent to the tobacco. Menthol is naturally found in peppermint and other mint plants. It can also be made synthetically in a lab. Menthol activates cold-sensitive nerve receptors in the mouth, throat, and airways, creating a cooling sensation when you inhale smoke. [14:16] Okay. [14:38] The minty taste and smell plus the cooling field act as a pleasant sensory cues that many smokers come to associate with satisfaction and craving. Menthol can alter nicotine metabolism and the way nicotine acts on brain receptors, which may increase nicotine's reinforcing addictive effects. In short, the menthol effect is not from nicotine but from added menthol, which cools and numbs the airways, masks irritation, masks, and masks.

[15:03] and can make cigarettes feel smoother and more addictive without making them any safer. So, menthol cigarettes appeal to black people because it's a cool cigarette. [15:13] It's cool. It's cooling. It makes so much sense why the brand Cool Cigarette, because that makes sense. Right. That's why they called it Cool, I bet. Damn, what white people do to destroy my community, man. [15:24] Destroy everybody. They don't give a fuck about anybody. Half ain't wide body ain't soul. Mild ain't bold. Cool ain't cool. Newport is. [15:36] Oh, because that was like a take on cools because people used to smoke cools. Do cools exist anymore? In jail. [15:43] Only in jail? I think that, I think, I don't know what the ratio is. What cigarette gets you more money in a dice game? But whenever I hear people telling war stories, they're like, man, I got a pack. I got a carton of cools for a bag of Doritos or something. But the value of a cool cigarette is higher in prison. Isn't it crazy that they give you cigarettes in prison? [16:06] That's crazy. It's like the only drug you can get in prison. Yeah. And those can get alcohol, right? Well, you can get hooch. Well, you can't get alcohol, but they make their own. But it's all under the table. Yeah. Yeah. But I think in prison, the things that hold the most value. [16:24] I think it's [16:25] Tang. [16:27] It's that artificial flavored thing. [16:30] Drink, I think that's... Astronaut shit. Yep, cigarettes, Doritos. I heard Honey Buns.

[16:37] Yeah. [16:37] Hold the value. And I heard candy bar, but candy bars, you got to be particular with that. You, because if you offer, this is what I hear. If you offer a person a certain amount of candy bars, then what I understand is that you're inviting them to have sexual intercourse with you. Interesting. Yeah. Candy bars. Yeah. Like you, I don't think you want some candy bars. And that's like code. Yeah. It's like pizza gate pizza. Mr. Good bar for this good bar. [17:07] times that are frequent the streets which aren't anymore not [17:11] Too often, these are the stories that they tell. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And these facts, you don't need them for anything but for barbershop talk, but these are the conversations that I have, that I've heard people have. It's interesting how different brands market to different people. And, I mean, how do they figure it out? Like, what do they work? Like, that's where it's evil, right? [17:41] out. [17:42] deceptive advertising that's legal. You know? Well, they do a history on what [17:48] uh, people like, I was watching or reading a story about the, uh, people that started forever 21. I forget what the brand was. It was some Koreans from South Korea, not to be confused with Kim Jong in those people, but they were tailors of something. They started a small boutique and what they would do was they would have these clothing, uh,

[18:08] And they would really pay particular attention to what colors people like, what was... [18:17] selling the most whatever and that's what they buy. One of the things that made Forever 21 so popular because they had really inexpensive, the clothes weren't expensive, but they was turning them over so quick. [18:28] So people do case studies and see what people are attracted to. I know with black people, you put lemon pepper on anything, it's going to go out the roof. You can do lemon pepper, chicken wings, lemon pepper, french fries, anything lemon pepper, they're going to go. I don't know who started the whole lemon pepper craze, but you lemon pepper anything, black people are going to buy it. That's interesting how white people are associated with very bland foods. [18:56] You know, macaroni, cheese, mashed potatoes, mayonnaise. And you know why you're connected with that Blanis? Because the way you pronounced it. [19:04] Macaroni and cheese? You'd never... [19:07] ever say, if you tell somebody, if you say, and you would be able to be invited to the cookout, Joe, you know, people like you, if you say, Hey guys, I'm coming to the cookout, right? And I'm bringing macaroni and cheese. You're going to get uninvited to the cookout. What, how should I say? Mac and cheese, mac and cheese. Yeah. You can't say macaroni and cheese. Nobody ever does that. Okay. You would, they would look at you as a spy. You would get invited and be uninvited. Well, [19:37] I'm a white person because I'm Italian and we're associated with spicy food. Very strong flavors. Yeah, but... It's a different... Italian people don't like bland food. They like very spicy, very flavorful food. I'm bringing baked ziti to the barbecue. You'll be like, I'm bringing ziti, right? Yeah.

[19:55] I would say baked ziti because there's different kinds of ziti. There's ziti that you bake and then there's ziti that you just boil and put marinara sauce on. [20:03] But I will say this, as much as, you know, community make fun of white people and their lack of seasoning, that can save your life. Lack of seasoning can save your life? Yeah. So when you think about you look at somebody, one of the most country. [20:24] Yeah. [20:25] home-cooked soulful spot, the one ingredient that's in everything that you taste right off the rip is salt. How good is salt for it? Salt's not bad for you at all. It's all bullshit. Then why do we think salt is high-plug pressure? If you feel a little off, it's okay. It's February. Everybody feels a little off in February. It's darker. It's colder. You probably already gave up on some New Year's resolutions. But you don't have to wait until spring to get yourself right again. It all starts with making small changes to your routine, and one of those is AG1. [20:55] dramatic reset. It's one small thing that you can do every morning to keep consistent when everything else is chaos. One scoop, done. AG1 can help support your energy, your gut health, and can support you through the darker evenings. It gives that foundational support from morning to night, and it all comes down to getting your daily nutrition. There's more than 75 ingredients, including antioxidants, minerals, probiotics, and functional mushrooms to support your immune health [21:25] And this is the time of year when it can really help. If you want to check it out, go to drinkag1.com slash Rogan, and you'll get three AG1 travel packs, vitamin D3 plus K2, and other gifts free in your welcome kit with your first subscription. That's drinkag1.com slash Rogan. Salt is an essential mineral. You need salt to survive. Salt is not the problem.

[21:55] It's not true. [21:56] It's bullshit. What type of salt is a different salt is it like no it's not salt's not bad for you Well, first of all, there's iodized salt, which is actually good for you because it contains iodine they add iodine to it Which is good for you, but salt is not a bad thing and [22:12] I mean, you shouldn't have too much salt. Look, if you eat enough salt, you could die. Joe, you can't be the person to educate me with this. So all of these years... [22:20] It's a it's a these people getting their toes chopped off. That's not why. That's not why. If you're getting diabetes, it's usually from sugar. OK. You know, there's been a lot of misinformation that spread because of actual scientists that were bribed by the sugar industry. So the sugar industry, they paid a bunch of Harvard scientists. It was Harvard, right? [22:44] I believe it was. They didn't even give him a lot of money. Was it the 1950s or 1960s, Jamie? Do you remember? [22:50] So this has all been outed now, but what they did was they tried to associate saturated fat and foods with saturated fat with being responsible for heart disease. And they did that to try to get the blame off of sugar because sugar is fucking terrible for you. It's terrible in basically every way, especially added sugar. So why are all of these diseases that we speak of are more problematic? [23:14] more [23:15] happening in the black community than in the white community? It's diet. It's 100%. It's sugar. It's processed food. It's diet. It's sugar. It's sugary drinks. It's the amount of sugar. Like if you say, if you drink like a one liter Pepsi, the amount of sugar that is, okay, let's find out how much sugar is in a one liter Pepsi.

[23:37] Oops. [23:38] You drink several of these a day. One of them, I believe, is more sugar than you're ever supposed to have in a day. [23:43] Pepsi is the one, and that's why it was— Well, it could be Coca-Cola. It could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew. I think it's 100%. Pick your poison. I think it's 100% Pepsi. Yeah. [23:51] Well, Pepsi's, I don't know, does Pepsi have more sugar than Coca-Cola? I don't know. [23:57] You know, Coca-Cola is one of the only things that's still flavored with cocaine, Leaf. [24:01] Sugar content, 115, 123 grams in a one liter bottle. That's a crazy amount of sugar. 25 teaspoons, 35 sugar cubes. God damn it. [24:13] That's 130%, 138% of the recommended daily value of sugar. That's where people are getting type 2 diabetes. They're getting it from excess sugar, specifically... [24:25] Excess sugar, like in a liquid form, your body does not know what the fuck to do with that because nowhere in nature do you get sugar in a liquid form like that. Like even orange juice. People think orange juice is good for you. It's not. Drinking orange juice, yeah, you're going to get some vitamin C, but you're also going to get a gigantic dose of sugar that has no fiber in it. But is it a different type of sugar in fruits and vegetables than what you get off the counter? [24:55] Fructose, corn syrup, you know, look, sugar from fruit is the best sugar for you because it's attached to fiber. And that's a slow release sugar. Like if you eat an apple, and apples aren't bad for you. It's a natural way that your body consumes sugar. Apples were bad for Adam.

[25:12] I don't even know if it was an apple. It was an apple. It was a fruit. [25:17] It was an apple from the tree of knowledge. It was an apple. [25:21] Uh... [25:21] It was an apple. But it wasn't an apple tree. What specifically does the Bible refer to as the fruit? Adam and Eve. Adam. You know the truth? [25:31] Eve never talked to God. [25:33] Adam talked to God. Adam told God not to eat the fruit. [25:37] There's nowhere in the Bible does it say that Adam went and told Eve. This is why we should start not just shutting women down to listen to him. [25:47] It all started. Genesis does not specifically specify rather what kind of fruit Adam ate, only that it calls it fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. [25:57] Yeah, so it's not necessarily an apple. We call it an apple. [26:02] The text never names the species, apple, fig, etc. The Hebrew word is peri, a general term meaning fruit without a botanical detail. [26:11] Where the apple idea came from over time, Jewish and Christian interpreters proposed many candidates, including fig, grape, pomegranate, citron, and others. Now common ideas that an apple developed later in European tradition helped by wordplay in Latin and Old French where the words evil and apple or fruit sounded or were spelled similarly. [26:33] So it's not necessarily an apple. I really don't know what to believe. I feel like I get so much more information when I come here. I don't know if people understand that. Well, the crazy thing is that, I mean, I've found this out recently because I've actually been reading the Bible, that there's no reference whatsoever to Adam telling Eve you're not supposed to eat the fruit from the plant with the knowledge of good and evil.

[26:57] I never knew that. Yeah. I just knew it's just Adam with an apple and this shit got fucked up. What happened was God created Adam. This is what Genesis says. God created Adam and then told Adam, go and name all the animals. [27:10] And then when he was done with that, Adam made Eve. [27:14] But he never said... [27:16] It never says in the Bible, Adam told Eve, do not eat the apple. [27:21] Who's given this... [27:22] this misinformation? Well, the problem with the Bible is, first of all, that it was an oral tradition forever. So it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was ever written down. Then it was written down in a bunch of ancient languages. It was written down in ancient Hebrew, it was written down in Aramaic. And then when you translate ancient Hebrew to, first they translated it to Latin, and then they translated it to Greek, and all these other, maybe Greek first. I forget [27:52] The translations miss a lot of the language. It's a very complicated – ancient Hebrew is a very complicated language, and numbers double as letters in ancient Hebrew. So ancient Hebrew doesn't have numbers. All their words have a numerical value to them. [28:10] makes people so connected. [28:13] to the Bible? Is it because of [28:16] wanting to believe in something. [28:18] Definitely wanting to believe in something. And then specifically, if you look at the teachings of Jesus Christ, if you follow them, I think it'll lead to a better life. I think it makes you a better person, makes you a better member of the community. It reinforces community. It's like a really good way to live your life.

[28:48] that people believe in that don't have those aspects to them. People want to believe things. People want to believe in things, even if you like Scientology. People deeply believe in Scientology, and we know it was written by a science fiction author who was a bad science fiction author. L. Ron Hubbard wrote some terrible books. That guy would just bang books out. He never rewrote shit. Everything was a first draft, just... [29:11] He wrote more fiction than any human being that's ever lived. [29:15] And they also wrote Scientology and people believe in it. I do believe I think people like you say people want to if Your life is fucked up, but if they want to be able to say okay, this is my savior if I believe in this Yeah, I'm gonna get me on the right track 100% and then with that with these like Drewski just did a Skit that went viral, right? And it was like he was making fun of the mega churches and everything but I [29:39] These churches, like they give these people. [29:42] something to believe in, make them feel better, and they charge people. Do you think that there should be a separation? If I inspire you, if my writings or my speeches inspire you to want to do something and change your life and be more financially secure, do you think these people are entitled to like, okay, almost like agencies. If I get you to work or get you there, should you hit me off? Or the megachurches, is it so wrong for me just to pour all their money to them? Or are they giving these people something to believe in? If that's the case, do I supposed to get a [30:12] piece of that. I think they're preying on people's need to believe in things. And I think they're very predatory. And I think that's why they're flying private jets and driving Rolls Royces and living in mega mansions on giant ranches. And they're doing it all off of donations of people that are barely getting by. That's a lot of it. You know, I think it's a scam that's legal. I think if we were a just and righteous society, it wouldn't be legal. I mean, it's you're taking advantage of people

[30:40] When they need something to believe in, you're asking for all their money. Like I remember I was watching this guy on TV once, like televangelists are the worst. And this guy was saying that if you are broke, you should borrow money to donate it to the church and it will be paid back to you tenfold. That God will pay you back tenfold. And then he had all these examples of people that did it and they would call in and say, I was $1,000 in debt and this and that. [31:10] to you, and now all of a sudden I drive a Rolls Royce, and it's all horseshit. But those are all desperate... [31:16] Desperate people. Those are the same people that I'm going to spend $30 on the lottery every day for like fucking 50 years and don't know how much money is. That's another scam. Not only is that a scam, here's the scam about the lottery. Not only does... [31:31] Say if everyone pumps money into the lottery. Say you buy $100 worth of tickets and Jamie buys $100 worth of tickets and I buy $100. So there's $300 in the lottery. There's not even $300 available if you win. And then if you win, you don't get all the money. You get the money over a long period of time. But they always give you options. Right, right, right. But if you take the second option, it's a significantly – like here's a good example of it. [31:57] Speaking of the Epstein files. [31:59] his company Zorro Trust. I didn't like that transition. You look me right in my eyes and say, speaking of the MC. Well, MC, we were talking about it before the podcast. No, you were talking about it. No, MC came to see you. No, MC did not fucking come to see me. They loved your show. Yo. He was, he was a number one fan. First of all, I, I've never. He came to, you don't know. Look, they came to West Palm Improv because you're a famous comedian and you were playing in the town where he lived.

[32:28] So what are you saying? Nothing. But what I'm saying is that what I'm saying is Epstein won the lottery. His company, Zorro Trust, won an 80 million dollar lottery. [32:39] And then they took the payoff, and the payoff was only $30 million. What do you mean from a ticket or you mean with incorporation? [32:46] What do you mean when you say – His company bought a ticket for the lottery. Oh, really? Yes, Zorro Trust, which is his company. They won the lottery, which is very suspicious. Not only that, he won the lottery right after he was arrested and went to jail for fucking kids or having sex or whatever he was arrested for, sexual handjobs, whatever it was. There's nothing wrong with a sexual handjobs. No, but when they're underage, girls probably not. Oh, I didn't know that. [33:16] took the payoff. The payoff out of an $80 million payment, the $80 million jackpot, was only $30 million. So if you want the money, you take $30 million. So not only did they take $50 million out of the $80 million, but then you think about how many people spent money buying lottery tickets. It was way more than $80 million. So they make money off of that, and then they make money off of the fact that you want the payoff instead of the over 30 years. It doesn't matter what the jackpot becomes, they never can lose. [33:46] They can't lose. It's stealing money from people that are desperate. It's legalized gambling where the house always wins. Like let's find that out. Like let's say – [33:58] Let's find an average jackpot of megabucks and find out how much money actually goes into it, how much money people spend versus how much money the payout is. So when this – all lottos are state-regulated, right? Right? I don't know. I don't know who regulates them. Okay, so they get, say –

[34:21] They get $100 million from people trying to win a billion dollars. It's because the state regulation, do they have to pay taxes to the government for the money they – The lotto? No. It's the state. Well, the government owns it. So it's whatever the – not only that, you pay taxes on it. The winner pays taxes. Yeah, yeah, of course. So say if you take that $30 million payout, you don't even get $30 million. Then you have to pay taxes on that $30 million. So they get money from that too. [34:49] They can't. [34:49] Fucking lose. But for a person that's never seen, barely seen $1,000 anywhere, anything with a million, they're going to be excited about it and take it before. Exactly. Exactly. And over time, most people are not going to win. So most people are dumping money into it. There was a story of a young lady. I don't know exactly what it was. I think she won some type of lottery where they gave her two options. [35:19] I think it was like $20,000 every month for as long as she lived. Yeah, that's how they do it. And she did this. Well, people think that it's kind of crazy. But if you consider the fact that she was probably 20, 21, her life expectancy, probably, she was white, so she probably lived to 132. You know what I'm saying? She looked like, that was a smart, a lot of people would not understand that. That was a smart thing. I don't think it's for the rest of your life. I think it's until it reaches that number. I don't think they're going to give you money for the rest of your life. [35:49] Maybe it's a different kind of lottery that I'm not aware of. Maybe. I think it was something as long as she lives. That sounds crazy. Yeah. All right, here it is. Typical Mega Millions jackpot run. Total ticket revenue is usually several times the advertised jackpot. But there's no single fixed average because sales vary enormously with the jackpot size. Still, you can get a good ballpark. So around 50% of ticket revenue goes into the overall prize pool. So the government makes 50% right off the bat. Right.

[36:18] So if it's $100 million payout, they already made $100 million. [36:22] So this $200 million is what they made. They throw in $100 million for everybody. Of that prize pool, roughly two-thirds to three-quarters is allocated to the jackpot with the rest funding lower-tier prizes. So that means even if there's $200 million, out of $100 million, only two-thirds of it goes into the big jackpot. [36:45] And that means the jackpot is typically in the order of one-third of total ticket sales that run. And then out of that one-third, so say if it's $100 million or with the Epstein case, it was $80 million. He took the payout, which was $30 million. So they make $50 on top of that. And then on top of that, you pay taxes on that $30 million. [37:04] It's a crazy scam. What do they do with the money? [37:07] Whatever the fuck they want. I think they probably, I think that in certain neighborhoods, I think they probably pump a certain amount of winning tickets into a neighborhood just to get you addicted to keep going in there and spend your money. [37:19] This summer, the Cup is taking over the U.S., and only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. Follow every group stage upset, every knockout round thriller, every stoppage time moment that flips the whole tournament. Sweat all the big matches you love in real time with a seamless experience built for the world's biggest stage. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app.

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[39:36] What was that movie, Jamie? [39:37] Remember that movie that was based on Whitey Bulger? [39:41] The Departed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, The Departed. Yeah. Okay. That was based on Whitey Bulger. [39:45] He was a gangster? Oh, yeah. Terrifying gangster. Yeah. What was his demise? He was actually a fucking FBI informant. [39:54] Not only was he a gangster, he was working with the FBI and they were letting him get away with shit because he was throwing other people under the bus. I think there's a different, I mean. They wound up catching him in Santa Monica. [40:05] Well, I've found that – Hunting Whitey. About that Whitey Bulger won the Mass Millions lottery about that time. Yeah. [40:13] Yeah, he won the fucking lottery, man. [40:17] This is what it says here. What does it say? [40:22] I think it was more of a scheme than they actually won, but it's always taking money. It's probably a way to launder money. Yeah. Oh, [redacted address] to launder money. So the way it would work was, say, if you lived in the community and you won the lottery ticket, maybe they would give you money for your lottery ticket. Then he would get it, and that way it would show that this is where he got his income from. [40:52] why they have this, because they have legitimate businesses. But really, these businesses were scams. My father convinced my family that he was a real estate agent for years. He couldn't find out he was a heroin kingpin in D.C. for years. All we needed was an excuse. He's selling real estate, all right? That's hilarious.

[41:08] So – [41:09] He ordered the real winner to sign the ticket over with Whitey and two associates paying $2.3 million in cash for 50% of the winnings. Bulger himself paid Michael Linsky $700,000, although Linsky lost money in the deal. He really had no choice. It came down to selling the ticket or risking his life. [41:29] Yeah, so that's how it usually works. [41:32] So he was a snitch. Whitey was a snitch. Yeah, he was a snitch and he got caught in Santa Monica. Snitch or whistleblower? There is a difference. No, he was a snitch. Whistleblowers are people that snitch on people in higher profile positions like corporate America. But what I'm finding out. No, he wasn't a whistleblower. He was an actual snitch because he was turning other people in. He was a kingpin. Is this true? [41:54] And I don't want to make everything about race. Is that phrase snitches get snitches more prevalent in a white community or a black community or is across the board? I think it's across the board, isn't it? Like the black community is famous for keeping their mouth shut when someone gets shot or when someone does something. Like when cops come and question people. I don't know if that's the truth anymore because what I'm – Not anymore. But that was the thing with the mafia too. Yeah. The mob would never rat out. Guys would just go to jail. [42:24] Like, Rhett, I got the paperwork and everything. And now it feels like... [42:27] Like... [42:28] that model of [42:30] Being loyal. [42:32] is dead. Like, people now, they get in court with shit. In a minute, they get in court, they snitch on everybody. Right. And there's no repercussions when they come home. There's no repercussions. I don't see that as much. I see so many people that are, like, saying whatever the fuck they want to do, whatever, and they're still out here just living their lives normal, like nothing fucking happened. Well, with the mob, it was always, like, if you ratted on the mob, you were a dead man. You were a dead man. Your family was probably dead.

[43:02] People kept their mouth shut because of that and so guys would go to jail all the time and never open their mouth and they would be Rewarded when they would get out and they'd have a party for him celebrate that's in Goodfellas. You kept your mouth shut you never said nothing That was the whole thing but the whole thing I used to live that changed though like with John Gotti like the the government's No, well, I'm the bull and it wasn't just them like there's everyone was snitching on everybody and [43:28] It's like they got these guys. [43:31] We had Donnie Brasco in the studio. From what? That Johnny Depp movie. It was called Donnie Brasco. Okay. Why am I confused? What's his real – Donnie Brasco's real name? [43:45] Joe... I'm not confused. Bronx Tale, that's not Bronx Tale. Joe Pistone. That's not nothing to do with Bronx Tale, right? No, different story. That's a different story. Yeah. [43:55] So Donnie Brasco was the guy who was – [43:59] He was an agent, and he pretended to be a mob guy. And he got in with the mob and was with him for like seven years, did all kinds of shit with the mob. [44:08] Sold everybody out, and they all went under. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just so – the culture, everything is – [44:14] There used to be a phrase, snitches, get stitches. Now, I don't know if this just everywhere, but everywhere I go, it's like the most interesting thing now that's selling on any platform, especially social media, is beef. And I don't understand why people gravitate toward negativity more than anything. That's normal. Why? But you know what? It's interesting. Your platform.

[44:36] It's not known for that. [44:37] No. Your platform. But I go to these other platforms and I don't know. I think these guys, these people, they just sit back and it's like, okay, what can I say? [44:48] to make people upset, get them riled up, and then I take advantage of the engagement that they do. They're in a different game than me. All right. Their game is trying to get engagement. My game is talking to people that are interesting. Doesn't that become, I don't want to be triggering anything, but doesn't that become destructive after a while? 100%. And do you, have you noticed, especially, I'll put it like this, especially with comedians with podcasts. [45:18] Where, like you say, a person will go on a podcast because it was interesting. They told funny stories. Right. Or they was good at their craft or whatever. But now it feels like all these platforms. And I don't know. That's just in my community. When I say that black people, it's like the only way I can find myself interesting if I talk shit about people. Right. And motherfuckers are going away from being. [45:41] being funny. [45:44] when you get interviewed. Like every... [45:47] fucking podcast i turn on now is somebody i'm exposed this person i'm gonna tell this about what you didn't know and the one thing they're not doing especially as a stand-up comedian motherfuckers don't give a fuck about being funny no more are those days over no no no no those people that do that are almost always not very talented

[46:07] Almost always. The only exception to that is Kat. And I think what Kat was doing was different. Because what Kat was doing was exposing what he thought was snakes and liars. Okay. It's a different thing. Okay. [46:22] Out. [46:23] Okay. [46:24] This is my question. Okay. Okay. This is my question. Okay. This is my question. People can take it. Okay. [46:31] Okay. I want to say this. This is what I'm saying, Joe. What are you saying? I'm coming from this place. I'm like this. No disrespect to whatever to cap, but like... [46:40] Who asked you? [46:41] Thank you. [46:42] Like Shannon Sharp did when he did that podcast. [46:47] Shannon Sharp might have asked one question. But Shannon Sharp likes that. Like, in his podcast, he likes a lot of that. His people, they find questions. He's got a sheet of paper. He's got questions of people. Joe, what do you do with those truths? [47:02] What do you do with talking about [47:05] I watched, this is a horrible impression, I sat there in the parking lot and I watched people go up to Diddy's house and they came down and they were standing up. I'm trying to figure out what the fuck do you get out of that? [47:19] What is the result of that? You expose these people to say what? Hollywood is never going to fucking change. You know what changes? Like what you do. I left fucking Hollywood. Hollywood is not going to change. And I'm not saying I went to a ditty party. First off, I was never invited. There's a chance I would accept the invitation with rules. You know? Right. But what is the purpose of exposing something?

[47:49] are exposing what most people are doing when they're being negative is they are jealous and they are below the person they're talking shit about like whenever i see someone that's talking about you don't think that you say that and you use cat williams as an example so when you said they're just first of all when cat did it was very funny which is very funny cat's a very funny guy and when he was doing it i think he was also being very funny while he was doing which is [48:19] not understanding his humor. This is the connection people have. This is what they say. They ride with him. They say, where is the lie? [48:30] Where is the lie and all this stuff? But I'm just trying to understand what is the purpose of exposing all this stuff? What do we do with this information? What do we do with the information that did he like to have fucking freak parties with baby? What the fuck do we do with all this information? Well, did he's in jail right now. So they did that with him. Well, did he's in jail for doing something that a lot of people do? [48:52] I let me tell you something, Joe. [48:54] Tell me something about that. [48:55] I was riding with Diddy for once. I liked the music he did or anything. I don't know Diddy like that. But when I first... [49:04] Red [49:05] The definition of sex trafficking. [49:09] Right. I'm sure you reverse person. You're smart. Uh huh. [49:12] The definition of sex trafficking is to transport a woman online. [49:16] Oh. [49:17] cross state lines with the intent to have sexual intercourse with her. Right. When I heard when you're paying them.

[49:23] It's trafficking is. No, that's not. Actually, my. Really? This is my. Jamie, you can pull this up. Wait a minute. So if you are dating a girl and she lives in Minnesota and you live in California and you fly her to California, that's sex trafficking? And I'm thinking about. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true at all. I think that's just flying a girl in that you're having a relationship with. They call it fluid out. Fluid out. Yeah, but that's normal. Everybody does that. But that's the definition. It's commercial sex. Yeah, commercial. [49:53] The Sex Act, induced by force, fraud, or coercion. [49:57] Well, coercion is crazy because coercion is like, please, I'll buy you a bag. That's sex trafficking. That's a date. Right. If there's a girl, she's like, what are you going to do for me? Like, you know those shoes you want? [50:09] I got those shoes for you. Let's go shopping. Like that's kind of sex trafficking. That's coercion for money. Like if a girl's thinking about coming out to visit you and then you go, listen, listen, listen. What are you looking for? What do you want to buy? I got money. [50:24] Come on, let's go shopping. That kind of would fall into that category. [50:28] But we're getting off topic. Let's go back to the topic originally in hand. The reason why these comedians are negative. No, no, no, no. You're not going to get in trouble for sex trafficking. Listen, that's all horseshit. But the reason why these comedians are doing it is because they're never bigger than the comedians they're shitting on. Never. One thousand percent. One thousand percent. And you know what it is, Joe? And they're never good. You know what it is, too, Joe? Is that.

[50:55] Deep down inside, they want to be that one hundred percent. And I tell you, or they want to be in the position that person's in is a better way of putting it. I'll use this. I'll tell you this story. I realize that now that say names, but you it's so many people that could be guilt, guilty of it. And this is the thing that I hear that understands me, that disturbs me, is that, you know. [51:17] uh, [51:18] A lot of these people that bitch the most, they at some point in their career, they were favored by Hollywood. Yes. At some point in their career, they had these opportunities. At some point in their career, guess what? They had the agencies. They had the agents. And something happened in their career where they fell out of favor for whatever you want to call it. Whatever you want to call it. For whatever. Maybe something they did. Agency didn't like them too much. [51:48] It's all that's fucked up and the only way you get this opportunity because it has to be sexual favors and all that type of shit. And where the fuck you draw the line? But it's not even sexual favors. It's like they criticize the work of the other person. That person ain't shit. That person sucks. Can I get it? Can I? Yo, there's... [52:05] Here's the thing. There was... [52:07] Come on, you get this all the time because you ride with Dave and Dave's number one, right? So you always get this label, even though you're a great comic, you get this label being a coattail rider. Right. And guess what? Everybody don't. This is what I try to explain to people, Joe. Everybody does not have to be Batman.

[52:29] I don't have a problem with being Robin. You know why? Because Robin got the same amount of screen time as Batman. [52:37] And the reason why I say this is what I get And I'm telling you this Joe I don't know if this gum is kicking in This is what This is what fucks me up Joe This is what fucks me up And I'll tell you example I'm going to give you example Don't give me examples No I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you why Because your fucking shirt is fucking triggering me right now Kill Tony? You've been the greatest comedy show of all time In the history of the known universe I know that but there's a lot of lies involved [53:07] this is this is what they say this is what they say don't pay attention to what they say listen why are you doing that yo you told what are you playing things that the kill tony audience say about me um chapelle's butt plug is acting up again yo i gotta deal with this shit what is so no well you gotta stop paying attention to it it's so hard do you know what it would happen to me if i paid attention to all the haters that i have yeah i would go crazy you would do you think that [53:37] position right now, you have so many reasons to say fuck them. Do you feel like you had that same belief when you was first starting this? Did you engage them then? [53:45] Well, I engaged online with a lot of people in the early days because I didn't understand. What you're doing is you're engaging with people that don't have happy lives. Right. And they're negative. And there's some criticisms that are good for you because some criticisms make you evaluate what you're doing and say, OK, well, what I need to do is be undeniable so these critics mean nothing to me because you can't. I'm killing. The audience loves me. I'm selling out everywhere.

[54:12] I'm doing great on stage. You can't pay attention. You know what? I will say this. I hear you, Joe. I tried that with them motherfuckers on your shirt. [54:20] You had a bad show. You had one bad show. I never had... You had a bad show. You had a bad show. Please don't do this to me, all right? You did. You had that one bad show where you went back and forth with it. I did not fucking have a bad show. Did you walk off the show? [54:32] I can sit the fuck down. Sit the fuck down. I can walk off the show. You want me to play it back? [54:41] Please don't do this. You were a little drunk. Who was the comic? Who was the comic? I don't know. His name. We don't need to bring this up. Whoever that dude is, he's funny. Now you're doing this. You know what you're doing. [54:54] laughs [54:54] You're being a provocateur. You're provoking me because we broke this shit down. And I don't want to keep going. I didn't think of this when I was wearing this shirt. I'll change the shirt. No, it's okay. Put something over it. I'll wear a Benny the Jet shirt. Let's break it down, Joe. No, we don't have to. We have to. You started this shit. All right? Thank you. I'm going to change my shirt right now. It's like I didn't have a bad show. You definitely didn't have a great show, right? When you walk off, it's not good. [55:24] Thank you. [55:25] Jesus Christ, God. [55:28] I'm doing it. I'm cheating now. I feel like Carrie. They're all going to laugh at me. They're going to laugh at me. It wasn't. [55:38] this for the last fucking time, Joe, for the last fucking time. And this is what's so fucking evil about this situation. There's some people call it a bad show. I never wanted to do the show, but you came back on. You had a good show, right? I want to go back. Let's rewind. Let's rewind.

[55:57] All right? [55:58] And this is, you were a part of it. Hey, look. [56:01] I changed my shirt. No more triggering. Shout out to Benny the Jet. Okay, I feel a lot better now. Boy, I need another piece of gum. I'm going to say this. Say what it's worth. First off, [56:14] I did not want... The first time I did it here in Austin. Right. I didn't want to do the show. Okay. And the reason why I didn't want to do the show... Now you're not even paying attention to me. You want a cigar? Yeah, I'll take a cigar. I didn't want to do the show, and I'll tell you why. Because I'm... [56:30] The streets say I'm sensitive. [56:32] You are a little sensitive. [56:34] Thank you. [56:35] Can I not have your opinion and just listen to me, please? [56:41] They know I'm sensitive. It was during the pandemic, Joe, you remember... [56:46] People would still come to do your podcast because they know the benefits of it. You had your thing doing. They would come to your podcast and then they would fucking leave because they didn't want to catch COVID. And then they would leave Tony stranded and he had no good guests. [57:01] I was here [57:04] Right? This one, when I'm talking about the time when Tony had [57:09] A black band. [57:11] He still has black men. All black. [57:14] There's a couple black people on there now. I think it's mostly black. Right? Okay. [57:19] I want to tell a story. This is the last time I'm going to talk to you. Deep Madness? I mean, name them all up. This is the last time, Joe. I want to tell the truth. I'm going to tell the guitar player or not. [57:26] What's that? Mike? Yeah, I mean, there's like... The Horms? A lot of them are black.

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[59:26] This is where it gets all crazy. I told him I had something I was supposed to do [59:30] later there's another black comic that was on the show he started roasting me i had no problem with that i had no problem he roasts me but i felt fucked up because it was only me him and i was trying to get this guy some sound advice but the only way he thought he's gonna get off by fuck with me so i was like yo why you fuck with me we're on the same we're on this fucking same team what they did was look at the fucking video okay you see i want you to slow it down slow it down [1:00:00] Film. [1:00:00] Isaac, you're going to let me get my thought, Joe. Sorry. [1:00:05] It's so easy for me to get distracted. Just hang in with me. One of these gum? [1:00:10] so if you look at this video you see him saying something to me and then when I leave it's two different fucking comics on the fucking stage it's a dude that I was roasting and then they showed me the exit and then these kill Tony bitch ass motherfuckers and I'm telling you I'll get past it they may all down there walked up I didn't walked up I had some other shit to do and in the last episode you and your boy [1:00:40] Tony, he caught here and Tony doubled down on it. And he said, no, that's not what happened. Of course, them comment motherfuckers, the ones that be putting cringe on it, they roll with it. Okay. Then I came back. [1:00:53] came back he had an amazing show Tony said it was one of the best shows he's ever done you know why it was amazing? because you were ready

[1:01:00] I... [1:01:01] I'm amazing. You are amazing, but also you wanted to get it back. [1:01:05] Right. I didn't have. You know what? This is what Redman said to me. [1:01:09] Red Band, Red Man, whatever the fuck his name is. Different human being. He changed, too. I'm going to tell you about it. Why was in the Wu-Tang class? Let me tell you. I'm going to tell you the difference between him, and I'm going to tell you the similarities between him and Jamie a little later on, right? Okay. How they're divas now. And I know you seem different. My Jamie's a diva? Yes. He has a false memory of something already. I'll let him go. Jamie is the last thing from a fucking diva. I will defend Jamie to the bitter end. Well, maybe you don't know him. I don't know Jamie. Yo, let me tell you. This is Jamie. [1:01:39] I know Jamie better than his mom. I know. But this is a Jamie I saw. [1:01:43] and killed Tony after party. Sit down. You're not on camera. It was also Saturday night. He had a leather jacket on. I don't have a leather jacket. Jamie had a leather jacket. He didn't call it a leather jacket. Whatever it was. You own a leather jacket? No, he doesn't even own it. Wait, wait, wait. The collar was flipped up. You have any false memory. Joe, the collar was flipped up. Like dice. And then he had the shirt. You might have had Timmy no brakes. Joe, Timmy no brakes. He had the shirt open to this button right here. Oh, right. Gold chains. [1:02:13] Jimmy had gold chains, boots on his hair. Ponytail was popping. He had some type of moose or something, right? And then he was just looking. And I was like, what's up, Jimmy? He was like, uh-huh. He had his hands in his pocket. It was giving, as they say, it was giving Fonzie attitude. I knew that had changed. But this is what Redman, Redman, whatever man he was. Redman.

[1:02:35] after the show, he said, that might have been the most epic comeback in kill Tony history. Well, the second episode was... [1:02:43] You came back full steam. You know what you're doing? I don't know. It was great. I'm trying to use the term. I don't think it's passive wrestling, but you're fucking with my mental right now. No, I'm telling you, you're a great comic and you're funny as fuck. No, that's not what you said. It was amazing. That's what you said. The second episode was great. This is the point I'm making of what you're doing. Right. The first episode was great. [1:03:02] It was Dr. [1:03:05] It was Dr. Video. Dr. Video. Here's the thing. They said, Redman, Redman, he said, [1:03:17] Thank you. [1:03:18] he said that was the greatest comeback i was like it wasn't a comeback you're editing what it was and this is what i did you're editing this is what i did and i'm not saying i think about the kill tony audience like that but i thought about them because this is what i said i was like this is what i want like you say i'm a great comment i know what i do i say you know what i don't want to give these mufflers opportunity to be able to fuck with me so i did before i went that last i said okay what did you do last time that you're going to do different for they want [1:03:48] last one, you had some drinks. Well, I wasn't able to do anything about that because I had some more drinks, but I was like, I tried to address what their concerns were. Right. [1:03:56] Which... [1:03:57] And with them, it's not going to make a difference because I know that last episode. This is what I didn't understand about Kill Tony. I didn't understand the formula. I don't watch it like that. First time I ever did it, I was interrupting the one minute part. You know what I mean? Oh, okay. And Tony told me the first time I did it, he said, D, only one rule. He said, let them talk for a minute. I said, Tony, why you have me on this show? You know I'm going to break the rules. And he knew that, right?

[1:04:27] Do it. [1:04:28] How important was to let those comics get that minute? Right. So when I did it a second time with Roger Schneider, I didn't interrupt. Sometimes my criticism could have been too hard. I was trying to be more supportive than anything. If you watch the last one I did, I had nothing bad to say about people in a harsh way. Certain people I knew was up there just because it was gimmick. And there were certain people I was like, oh, man, they really got talent. Like this one lady who's an older woman. I think she's a regular there, right? I don't know what she was. But I told her, I said, you know, it's so awesome. [1:04:58] perform, I see passion. I see somebody that's going into a different career later in life, which is the hardest thing to do. I made those points, and I wasn't trying to be an asshole, and even I got caught up in one, and they ran with this shit. [1:05:10] and it's a song that there was one of the acts by the name of Juanita [1:05:16] Juanita is a gender what is it when you transgender yeah you have a dick but you're a girl still yeah yeah transgender right [1:05:25] So she came up with this song, and she did this song, We Will Praise You, Praise You. And I had a couple drinks, right? And I said, and I was thinking like, Shit, you don't have to have that on the side of the line. [1:05:37] What, Jamie? I just started playing it, sorry. What? Oh, you geared up for that shit, huh? Put your headphones on. No, listen. Put your headphones on. [1:05:46] Oh, God. Okay. Go.

[1:05:53] Go ahead. [1:06:01] Alright. [1:06:04] Wait a minute. That's Juanita's version? No. [1:06:08] Okay. Do you got Juanita's version? So this is what happened, Joe. So... [1:06:15] I had a couple, two, two, three, four, five Tito's in. And I'm only looking at the artist with my peripheral. I'm not staring nobody down and like looking at them in the three pupils or whatever. So... [1:06:29] The performer, I'm going to say that because I don't want to get anybody upset. The performer was like. Here we go. [1:06:35] I'll just let him talk to Phil, though. Okay. Now, look how I'm not paying attention. Right. You're looking right at her. Shut the fuck up! [1:06:43] Okay, let's... All right, we'll see. [1:06:49] So it was very strange when in 2008... [1:06:53] Okay. [1:06:54] Oh, they had to cut it out too, I think. [1:06:56] Probably the song. [1:07:00] That's the gayest thing I've ever done. [1:07:04] And I do anal. [1:07:06] up one eat back to the show I got to a remix that's all for any blackout watcher right now yeah we well we well fuck you it's probably true until you find out she has a different

[1:07:26] dick, Donnell. [1:07:28] That is... Keep it going. Don't! Keep it going. This is amazing. That's how it happens, ladies and gentlemen. [1:07:38] They can't tell. No, no, no, come back. No. The brothers can't tell. The brothers can't tell. They will. They will. [1:07:52] Thank you. [1:07:53] They never, the last place. I was trying to be nice. Donnell, the last. [1:08:00] Keep it going. Keep it going because it's hilarious. [1:08:04] Whereas white guys, no. That's the first place the white guys look. You and me. [1:08:15] Charlemagne's going to find that clip. We will. We will. Fuck you. You are fucked, Donnell. [1:08:23] I'm getting word from the street. I was being nice. I'm getting word from the street. I knew it was something different, son. I'm sure this happened. I didn't want to get banned like Dave Chappelle, nigga. Daniel, I'm sure this happened before in Korea. Stop touching me, son. [1:08:40] I'm sure in Korea as an 18-year-old boy, this is a memory coming back to you. [1:08:45] Oh, my God. [1:08:48] That's usually how black guys react. [1:08:50] It's pretty. Juanita, have you been with a black man before? Keep it going, keep it going. It gets you in fire. Okay, are you just saying that so that he doesn't find you and kill you? No, it's race riot. I'm just kidding. I'm not the judge! Oh, shit! Now I'm offended. No, I have been. I've been with Juan. He was half.

[1:09:11] Okay, he was half. Half a block. [1:09:16] My career's over, nigga. [1:09:23] It's over. [1:09:25] *laughter* [1:09:26] Come on, that was funny No, wait a minute, it was funny And I didn't take, the funny thing about it was I did have a couple of drinks, right? People like, how did you not know? Like, I live in the Midwest, and what I really thought I know of women that look just like Juanita [1:09:44] Sure. That in the face is kind of like sketchy, like a dollar general one to two. And I wasn't offended, but it just it just caught me off guard. But what I'm going back to, I was saying about the Kill Tony thing. And this is another thing people said, well, Donnell, you got upset because Rob Schneider was roasting or whatever. [1:10:02] but [1:10:03] first off [1:10:04] There was the first time Rob Schneider was on the show. [1:10:06] Right. He didn't really know too much about the Kill Tony platform. I knew a little more than he did. And at the beginning, he was kind of cold, if you want to say. Not cold, like not funny, but he just wasn't warmed up to the flow. And then I started saying things. I was alley-ooping him. Right. Right. Basically. [1:10:25] People say what they want. I helped get him comfortable on the show. And then he started crushing. [1:10:30] right he started crushing and then we did we anybody tell you that episode was amazing right it was amazing but this is the thing this is what that plate that platform is not a place for you to tell how you really feel about somebody right and i owe tony an apology and i'll tell you why when tony did the um um all right rn republic national convention whatever

[1:10:52] Remember when he did the roasting? Yes. For that, it was a very, very testy time. Right. Politics, everybody said you shouldn't do this and everything. I told him not to do it. [1:11:02] You told him not to do the show? Not to do the Republican Party thing. Here's the thing. This is what... [1:11:07] Just for the people that's listening, this is what happened at the end of that Kill Tony with me and Rob Schneider. [1:11:13] All I wanted to do, I had the question on, where do you draw the line? Do you draw a line of what people think, how you're supposed to respond to something? Or are you loyal to somebody or how they treat you and how they are as a friend to you? And Tony wanted me to do that show. And anytime I've called Tony, he's pick up the phone, vice versa. We've been in for each other. [1:11:35] I don't know this is a good idea right now too because what you think is a nice gesture you want to do the show people going to act like as a political stand. I didn't want that right. So I can't listen to publicists. This is what I learned now Joe what I'm saying that was my inexperience whatever and something I kept calling I was like, what if I do this because I wanted to be reconnected with him, whatever. And I told Tony. [1:11:58] He was hot. [1:12:00] in a good way and a positive way. I felt so bad. I called him. I said, man, I really want to do the show, but I think people are going to take it the wrong way now, right? And this was with me. I felt bad about it. I stood up at your condo. [1:12:13] I was on the balcony, bro. [1:12:15] And I watched motherfuckers go into the show. I felt bad about it. I didn't do it. [1:12:20] And the only thing I wanted to do at the end of that Kill Tony episode was to...

[1:12:24] apologize to him and say, you know, as a friend, I probably wasn't there. And he understood, even though I was like, he's never going to let me do the show again. He said, I'd love to have you there. The only issue I had with Rob Schneider, in that moment, he didn't have the sense of me trying to say something serious. [1:12:38] right any key was getting a laugh of this one joke and it was at my expense [1:12:42] You know, when I had this moment, I was talking about friendship and everything. [1:12:47] Rob kept on with this fucking corny joke and I didn't want to flip out [1:12:51] And then people took that as like, oh, yeah, Rob roasted him. The fuck out of here. I was trying to talk about and I had this issue. You might have the same issue. [1:13:01] So [1:13:02] some people know people certainly you know them differently and I use an example and I'm gonna get [1:13:08] shitting on for saying this or whatever like oh how could you say that [1:13:12] I, um... [1:13:14] You got to stop worrying about what other people think. I can't do it. I can't do it. You got to stop worrying about what other people think. This is the conflict. You know how you feel. [1:13:24] This episode is brought to you by SimpliSafe. One thing you probably don't think about when you're planning the perfect summer getaway is protecting your home. But if disaster strikes, you want to be prepared. Even better, if it can be stopped before it happens. So check out SimpliSafe. They're the smarter option when it comes to home security because their systems help prevent and stop crime in real time before it starts. There's also no long-term contracts and no technician appointments. [1:13:54] custom system and set it up in one afternoon by yourself or even sooner. It's one of many reasons why millions of people continue to trust and use SimpliSafe. Everyone deserves to have peace of mind, which is why I'm happy to partner with SimpliSafe again and offer an exclusive discount. Right now you can get 50% off your new system by visiting simplisafe.com slash Rogan. That's half off at simplisafe.com slash Rogan. There's no safe like SimpliSafe.

[1:14:24] This episode is brought to you by Visible. How many of you are currently listening to this podcast on your phone? If you are chronically online, like most of us are these days, your wireless network should be too. With Visible, you get unlimited 5G and unlimited hotspot, all powered by Verizon's 5G network, the perks of big wireless for half the cost. [1:14:54] wireless designed to keep you connected and no contract holding you back. Switch today at visible.com plan. Start at just $25 a month or get our premium visible plus pro plan and save $10 on your first month. When you use promo code Rogan and exclusive offer for podcast listeners. [1:15:17] Just be yourself. I'll just say this. Kid rock. Kid rock, right? [1:15:21] You say that name for some people in certain places, oh, fuck him or whatever. Right. I met Kid Rock some years ago when we were doing the cornfield shows in Yellow Springs. And I tell people something. We talked about this earlier. Some people are provocateurs. I really believe Kid Rock doesn't believe half the shit he's saying, but I think that he knows it's going to move the dial as well. It's going to make him be in the headlines where people are like, oh, shit. He's going to stick to them. Well, we did that show in Nashville. Remember we hung out with him? Went to his house? Yeah, exactly. [1:15:51] And with that, even when he came to the conference at that time, this was the point where he said some crazy shit out of his mouth. Nobody wanted to be around him or anything, right? They was like, oh, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Right. Right. You know, when I do this thing called, I do river runs in Yellow Springs, Ohio. And for some reason, I take people down the river and it's like a peace thing. Like you and nature. You got a photo of you right outside the door. I know. I asked for that photo here, too. It's right outside the door. I love that. So now if you look at that photo, you'll see the energy. That's the vibe I was on.

[1:16:21] Toastie, kid, rock, anything, right? And I remember as a kid how the black community accepted him. I'm thinking about that shit. We're riding down the river. Kid is over on one kayak. I'm on the other side. We smoke and enjoy it. And he looked at me, and I know he was sincere when he said it. He said, man, it felt like I just had 13 hours of anger management. [1:16:39] Right. And I was like, OK, I'm not trying to be a therapist or anything, but that felt good. Then at the end, we stopped. He's flipping burgers and shit. [1:16:47] We got to know each other. We come in touch with each other. And he was doing a comedy festival. [1:16:53] in Nashville, right? He appreciated me as a comedian. He said, "Yo, D, I'm doing this." I was like one of the first people he called, right? He said, "You want to do it?" I was like, [1:17:01] Why not? Then I thought about it. I was like, again, what you're saying, I was like, what people are going to think? Seven comedians on the show. I'm the only black guy. I knew what I was walking into. I knew it was going to be all maggots. [1:17:14] It wasn't going to be a gay person. It wasn't going to be a midget. It wasn't going to be a lesbian. It wasn't going to be anything but bona fide, the real, real red, white and blue flag motherfuckers. But I said, Donnell, can you separate? [1:17:30] Can you go up here? Can you perform and be entertaining? Not shucking and jiving or none of that type of shit. I went up there, last person got a standing ovation. [1:17:41] at the end of the show. This is what people might not understand and I'm not trying to defend them or anything. At the end of the show me and Kid Rock, in this case I want to say Kid Rock wasn't backstage Bobby was.

[1:17:52] Right. And he said, man, he looked at me. He said, man, I think we just brought this country back together. [1:17:59] Right. And I say, well, don't separate it, motherfucker. He said, OK, two weeks later, he do some other stupid shit. [1:18:06] When Trump got elected, I know people went to his page to see Trump. [1:18:14] what his response was going to be. [1:18:16] Was he going to gloat? We were like, fuck y'all, this is America. He did this video, which I thought was so dope because it showed two sides of him. [1:18:25] It showed Kid Rock. [1:18:27] And he showed Bobby, right? And then how they both responded to Donald Trump being elected. The kid rock was the crotch-grabbing motherfucker. Fuck you, right? Then he came out. You find this. He came out as Bobby with shorts, just no American flags, baseball cap, fucking reading glasses or whatever. And I thought it was dope. The dialogue that he had with it, he played the victory. He said, you know, we did win. He said, but this is not a time to gloat. There's so much stuff that we need to do. [1:18:57] all sides want to get to a certain place, but we have different ideas on how we're going to get there. I thought that for whatever people want to think, I thought that was showing... [1:19:07] And also I told him, because I would talk to him off and on, I said, "You know what song you should do?" [1:19:14] You should do Nina Simone's song, Misunderstood. [1:19:19] Right just seen that shit, but I know he wouldn't never do that because the bass that really looks likes a response Supports the my blood or he's soft now

[1:19:28] Thank you. [1:19:29] The point I'm making, even though with Tony, with the situation, I consider Tony a good friend of mine for different reasons, right? That's why I wanted to have that moment to say that. But Rob Schneider, as much as they say I took away from moments on that show, he took away from that moment. I wasn't trying to be a bitch. I wasn't trying to be soft. I wanted to say I apologize because sometimes friendships got to be stronger than that. And that's where I was with that. And as much as I don't need. [1:19:53] Thank you. [1:19:53] the Kill Tony show. And this is what I always say about that show. I said, that reminds me, Kill Tony reminds me of the Def Jam era. [1:20:01] And when I say that, there was a platform for undiscovered talent, people that you've never seen for such a spectacle. Like Def Jam, it was people that didn't have the skill set to fucking go headline, but they was being seen. [1:20:16] Same thing with Kill Tone. Is your phone on? Is your phone on? Sorry. Shut up. This is what I appreciate about this show for whoever likes it or whatever. It's a platform to get on. [1:20:27] I travel around the country. It used to be, you remember back in the day, it was like, oh, I need to be on Letterman. I need to be on Carson or whatever. That is the, I got to get on Kill Tone. 100%. And in some cases, there's some good and bad to that. There's some people that was ready for it. There's some people like, you know what? You had two or three minutes worth of jokes. You know what I'm saying? You're not ready. But it gave people some hope. When I was standing at the hotel the other day, three people traveled across the country with the hopes of that.

[1:20:57] you know is it the fan base i want them to be like oh i can't wait to see him [1:21:02] But... [1:21:03] For me, [1:21:05] I always my whole career, I always want to be around the people, the places that they say the best comedians perform. When I started when I was in New York, I always I wanted to get past at the comedy cellar, not because I want to be a cellar dweller. [1:21:19] I didn't want to be the guy in the back fucking just every weekend, just sit back there and tell them what story. I was like, if this is where the best comics perform... [1:21:28] I want to be a part of that. [1:21:29] I want to be past that because when I got past... [1:21:32] in the common cellar. It wasn't a lot of black comedians working in the cellar. It was Greer Barnes. It was Keith Robinson. [1:21:39] R.I.P. It was William Stevenson. Patrice. Patrice. Dave Chappelle. In fact, Barry Katz had a room, Boston Comedy Club, and it was Black Night on Sundays, right? The black comedian looked at me like they said, where are you going? I was like, I got a spot at the cellar. They're like, how the fuck did you get in the cellar? [1:21:56] The way I got into it was put the work in, I hung out, got a couple of recommendations, and when it was time for me to showcase, I did my thing. But the minute I got past in the cellar, I didn't really care about working there all the time. I just wanted to be validated as like, this is the spot. Same thing with the comedy store. Same thing with what you're doing here. It was that part of it. [1:22:15] Um, Grant Barnes, probably one of the most underappreciated talents in the country. But you know what? I've known that dude for 30 years. He's a funny motherfucker, and he's been funny forever. You know, it's so funny that you said underappreciated, because, you know, when you, you know comedians that put the work in whatever, it's a phrase that people use underrated, but then you got to ask who rated. You didn't use those words. You said underappreciated, but he is.

[1:22:37] I don't know. Sometimes you got to ask yourself. He's not underrated by comics. He's underappreciated by audience members for whatever reason. I think it's a social media thing. [1:22:46] I just think he doesn't have a big presence on social media for whatever reason. He's a solid. [1:22:51] Solid fucking comic, though. Always has been. [1:22:54] And a solid guy. And a good dude. But that's another thing. This is the area that we're in right now. And you notice it's even more so now the most talented people aren't getting the shots if you don't know how to evolve. Well, it's not even just that. Because look at Dave Chappelle. Not Dave Chappelle. Excuse me. Dave Attell. Dave Attell, I think, is one of the funniest dudes who's ever lived. Ever. Ever. One of the best comics ever in the history of comedy. And mostly does clubs. He does theaters and stuff like that. [1:23:24] out arenas all across the country, but he does not promote himself. He's not into social media, but I don't even think a tail would be petrified. Not that he couldn't do it. And it was probably, remember with the show he had, what was it? The late night show. That was before anybody was doing it. Yeah. The late night show. He'd go to bars and stuff like that. Uh-huh. [1:23:45] - Insomniac. - Yeah, insomniac. This is before everybody was doing a ring. I don't think that some people, they like, [1:23:51] I think he's always going to make millions of dollars touring or whatever. But I think his comfort zone is like he's not a club act, but he's a club comment. I think the best thing for him he ever wants to be is in front of 250 to 500 people. Well, he's awesome in that, but he does like when Burt does arenas, he does arenas and he murders in arenas. I think the real thing with him is that he's just focused on his craft only.

[1:24:21] his popularity, and then when people go to see him, just word of mouth. Do you think some people might be afraid of a certain level of fame that they don't want to have? There is that. But I don't think he's that. I just don't think he thinks about it. I mean, he doesn't even have a phone. Like, he carries a flip phone with him all the time. He has an iPhone that he, like, stores away, and sometimes he uses it. But when you text him, he texts you on a do-do-do-do-do where you've got to press four times to get an S. You know what it is, though, Joe? You know what it is, right? [1:24:47] Well, he doesn't want to be distracted. He's in the Epstein files. [1:24:50] Yo, you need to burn a phone. If you heavily in the Epstein files... He's only in the Epstein files because he was on a lineup that Epstein was going to go see at the cellar. I think Dave Attell... [1:25:05] Louis J. Gomez is on that too. I like him. I think David Tell is like – I think – [1:25:11] Dave tells ultimate happiness is... [1:25:15] being on stage. Shut your fucking phone off, man. Put that shit on silent. Just put it on silent. [1:25:20] Do you know how to do that? You don't know how to do that. Don't disrespect me like that. Put it on. Do not disturb. Do you know how to do that? It's okay. It's off. It's off. Okay. Keeps digging, you popular motherfucker. I think some people – I think my opinion, David Till, his comfort zone is fucking just – [1:25:34] being as incognito as he tries to be. It's just like, oh, I came up with this. But I don't know anybody that turns over material. There's certain comments you look at Joe and you're like, God damn, this motherfucker's constantly trying. Yeah, always.

[1:25:51] When I work with Dave, [1:25:53] He forced me to do that. Dion Cole is another guy. When I watch Dion Cole does like at the Hollywood Improv, I think maybe three times a week, he just have a Monday night and he just uses it as a workout, right? Me, when I go into a spot, I'm trying to beat the fuck. I'm trying to beat it up. So sometimes I get distracted on what I'm really there for that's to work on new material. There's a different level where you just like, you know what? I could deal with the silence. I could deal with something not working. [1:26:23] Doesn't have all that notoriety like that. But when I see him, I'm like damn every time I see this motherfucker He's working on some new shit and has the same passion. Everybody doesn't have that. That's why David Till will always give other comics [1:26:35] something to like [1:26:37] tried to achieve because he like you ain't going to see him doing the same shit. It's always a flip. [1:26:42] And that's what makes him who he is. And that's why he gets so respected by something. Well, he's only focused on his craft, whereas some people are really focused on social media and promotions. And they have a guy that films them doing a bunch of wild things and edits with music. I've never seen so many comedians have full-out production crews with them. Right. On an intro. I know. On stage. They think that that's what they need. You know, they think that's what they need to separate them. [1:27:12] tension, but what it takes away, it does draw some focus away from what you're trying to do, which is work on your shit and come up with new stuff where a towel doesn't have any of that. But with that said, it takes away, but then it also lets you know.

[1:27:26] who the special people are. Right now, fucking my goddamn guy that services my pool and shit say he's got a special coming out. I don't know who doesn't have a special coming out. And the thing about it is like now, Joe, you know it. Specials aren't, if you really look at it, specials aren't special anymore. It's a weird word, right? [1:27:45] Specials are a weird word. I got a new special. No other art form calls it a special. If someone like Taylor Swift puts out a concert video, it's a video of her performance. A musician puts out a video, it's that. It's like for a comic, we got a weird word. [1:28:03] Special. You know what special is now? When you get excited about special, if people still do that, it's who's putting it out. It's special people that do it. It's special people that are like, Sebastian, he's doing it special. You know what I'm saying? Fucking Tom does it special. It's special people where you know it's special. And a lot of them now, it's just people that's doing 45 minutes worth of comedy. No beginning, no middle, no end, no point of view. You don't know anything about them. [1:28:33] but I'd say and I'm not, people can say Dave Chappelle's butt player but one thing I could say however you [1:28:42] Dave Chappelle's a what? No, I'm Dave Chappelle's butt plug. I'm going back to, that's what people, you know. You've got to stop listening to what other people say. Joe. [1:28:51] I'm segueing into a story. [1:28:56] Is it about Jamie wearing a Fonzie jacket? Hey!

[1:29:01] He's got them in all colors. He's got them in all colors. He's got a red, white, and blue one. You know, and like people... He took it off before the show. People get so critical, but at a certain point... [1:29:10] People evolve. [1:29:14] People that you know them a certain way, but then you talk about a person who's a 35, 40-year career. Like people like, well, this last special so-and-so did, it wasn't that funny. But how often, how long are you going to just be like rip-roaring funny? Some people have a position where when they talk, people listen. And I look at, I'll use Dave as an example. If you look at all this special, 20 years from now, right, everybody. [1:29:38] You have a Netflix and chill day or whatever. [1:29:41] If you play all the special that Dave ever did, you would know exactly what was going on in the world at that time. [1:29:49] You know what I mean? Right. You know what's going on. Some people put out singles. They got one or two jokes and some people pull out put put put out albums. He's he's one of those people. Sebastian is another one. And you look at like you see how his comedy is. Well, people get older. They have different perspective on life. And that's what you have to fucking accept him for. But we don't we don't do that. Right. And another thing I don't know. [1:30:11] um, [1:30:12] if this is prevalent, [1:30:14] In your community, and when I say that, your community is a lot of people, but my community, man, it's just amazing. [1:30:21] So much dumb beef. [1:30:24] And I've... [1:30:26] It's only one white beef I've ever known about, and that's yours.

[1:30:31] Mine? Yes. [1:30:34] What do you mean? The beef that you had with it. I don't even know. With Mencia? Yeah, years ago. Oh, well, that was the same thing like with Kat. Like some shit just has to be exposed. Right. [1:30:43] That was a real problem, man. You weren't around the store back then, but it was a real problem where he had that special or that show, rather, on Comedy Central after Dave left, which was basically doing his version of Dave's sketches. [1:30:57] and he was... Do you think it was his version of Dave's sketches? It was a lot of shit. It was like when he dressed like the white guy and had white paint on his face and wore the white wig. It was basically the same character that Dave was doing. Yeah, but if you look at the history of sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was the first person to ever... [1:31:12] painted dressed himself up to look like. Yeah, but it was right afterwards. Right after. Same slot. [1:31:21] that came after Chappelle's show, they would have compared it to... Dave was saying it. Yeah, yeah. [1:31:26] Dave never talked shit about nobody. He was like, this motherfucker is doing my show. Dave was saying it. [1:31:32] Dave doesn't talk shit about nobody. [1:31:36] But that was only one of the problems. The real problem was he would sit in the back room and watch open mic nights and take their shit. They would flash the light when he was in the room so comics wouldn't do material. They would start doing crowd work. [1:31:51] So why didn't he get exposed before that? Why did it just come? Because nobody had the balls to do it. And then he had to play for it. Because he was famous at the time. And he was doing, and look, it cost me. I got banned from the store. I lost my agent. And I was famous. I was on Fear Factor. I was rich. I had a lot going for me where I could stick my neck out. But you came back stronger. I give another example, like the same situation with Dave in Comedy Central and shit. As much as he went through that, he took a 12-year hiatus or whatever you want to say.

[1:32:21] He's a real artist. Right. Dave just said, fuck it. I'm going to disappear for a while like a legend. He just disappeared. I remember when I was hearing stories about Dave doing shows where he would set up a speaker in Seattle in the park and just start doing stand up. And people are like, what the fuck? And for no money, people would just show up and he would just do street performances. But you know what was kind of where he got it from? You've heard of a comment. I'm pretty sure of it. Charlie Barnett. 100%. Yeah, we played Charlie Barnett on the show. I knew Charlie. [1:32:51] funny, whatever, go, this is what the art of, only people I've ever known that got certain levels of success without Charlie Barnett and Michael Collier, when he used to live in his beats. Right. But people don't understand how Charlie Barnett would like, like, [1:33:05] But to go to a park, go to the center of Washington Square Park. And you've got to gather around a bunch of people in a circle. It's a certain technique. Not only that, you've got to hold their attention for one joke. Right. You've got to get them involved, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And you build this audience up, and then it's really for one joke. A lot of people don't know that Charlie got Saturday Night Live, but he couldn't read. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Tecovas. All right, guys. If you want boots that are made right, you've got to check out Tecovas. [1:33:35] and clearly built to last, but really sharp and premium too. You don't need to break them in either. They're comfortable straight out of the box and great boots for those summer concerts, weddings, work events, whatever. And they're versatile too. You can wear them with jeans, dress them up or down, whatever you need. Tocovus has all the classic leathers like cowhide and goat, but they've got all the exotics too for when you want to level up your look.

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[1:35:46] That's how much power he had. But then sometimes that we become victims of our own vices and everything and destroy us more than anything. That's why when people talk shit about like they Kevin, Kevin Hart didn't get out the mud is you got funny. [1:36:03] But you know, [1:36:04] Funny isn't everything. [1:36:06] That's okay. You're funny. That's not. Oh, so good that you got talent. But more importantly, it's your work ethics. And how do you take your God given talent and your passion and turn it into money? You know, you're into music and everything. You probably could name a million saxophonists or whatever that didn't get to do that. You could be like, well, listen to this shit. But for some reason, they didn't have the business part and all that together. [1:36:36] my folks or whatever, these people that go on these platforms and talk shit about people. There was a comedian that was talking shit about Martin Lawrence, right? Well, I saw Martin Lawrence, and Martin Lawrence in the casino, he's really... [1:36:50] It's not that funny. I'm like this motherfucker. He's Martin Lawrence. [1:36:56] Well, they didn't know him in the 90s. I used to have to follow Martin Lawrence at the comedy store. [1:37:02] No, if you just know Martin Lawrence, period, that's enough. Richard Pryor, before he passed away, when he was in a wheelchair, damn near rolled him out on the stage, sold out audiences. I followed him for six weeks. I followed him for six weeks at the comedy store when he was like that. Certain people, Joe, I look at this business, are made people. How dare you talk shit about this motherfucker? That's a good way to put it. He's a made man. Another thing, Joe. A legend. You know, in this business, you can have a career, right? But you have certain times where you just ruled.

[1:37:32] You had three years. Martin Lawrence, film star, movie star, comedy star. He had one period of time for five or seven years when it was just Martin everywhere. How dare you, as a person gets older, and whether he has a good, bad night or a bad night, how are you to judge? And you ain't doing shit. How are you to judge a motherfucker that when I was coming up, Joe, every fucking black comic in the business wanted an audition. Everybody wanted to be Hustleman. [1:38:02] that would do their career. So you judge a motherfucker years down the road [1:38:08] right where they basically when martin goes out guess what martin not doing no tour saying i'm doing 45 minutes he's like y'all want to see me guess what y'all gonna see this young talent you're gonna see this person i'm putting people on how dare you even have come out your fucking mouth and talk shit about this motherfucker how dare you talk shit about motherfuckers and talk shit about kevin hart how dare you talk shit about a motherfucker that was rocking with a dude nate nate smith r.i.p passed away i remember when kevin hart was the one of the motherfuckers doing those [1:38:38] I'm doing email lists. One person. I remember when fucking Kevin Hart had fucking 20,000 people on Instagram. No, on Twitter. And at the radio, he was like, yo, radio says, yo, D, this is probably. I seen the hard work. I see him not just come to fucking New York and do the black rooms. I'm doing the black rooms. I'm doing the white rooms. I'm doing all of this shit. [1:39:00] How dare you? [1:39:01] I'll just say this and I'll answer this. It ain't no beef for nothing.

[1:39:05] Cat Williams said, this is what Cat Williams said about Kevin Hart. I find it very strange that you just come from New York and then you have a TV show and a movie show. And how does that happen? You were in New York. I'll tell you how it happens. [1:39:19] You're on the biggest showcase in comedy. And you know what that is? JFL. [1:39:27] Just for laughs. [1:39:29] Kevin Hart was a product of that. Monique was a product of that. Dave Chappelle was a product of that. No, Kevin Hart wasn't pounding the streets in L.A., but he happened to be on a showcase. When you were back in the day, you do it, JFL. It was motherfuckers leaving there that probably had $500 in the bank leaving with a quarter million dollar development deal just to do nothing. That's the era was. I remember just because you weren't in L.A. doesn't mean you wasn't you wasn't beating the pavement. And I don't care. [1:39:59] Nobody as a stand-up comic grinds as hard as a comic come from New York opposed to L.A. [1:40:05] And the reason why L.A. don't have that many stages is, [1:40:07] LA don't have that many stages. They always tell you all the time, if you're trying to be an actor or whatever, go to LA. If you want to be a great stand-up comic, bang it out in New York. And this was the rule back in the day, Joe. Let Hollywood call you. You just don't go to LA to sleep on somebody's couch. Some people had that story, but it was like you grind. And back then... Everybody's got their own path, Dono. You can do whatever the fuck you want. It's just work on your act. That's the point that I'm making. Yeah. It's just everybody's got their own path. The real problem in this conversation

[1:40:37] what I said earlier. It's worrying about what other people think. The more you spend time worrying about what other people think, the less you're worrying about what you're doing. [1:40:45] Unless you're thinking about what you're actually trying to achieve. And I listen to what you're saying and I don't listen to what you're saying. And the reason why I say that every time I go into this rabbit hole or whatever, it's the echo. It's like a rogue angel right here and is whispering, don't read the comments. Yeah, but I'm right. I still read them. I know you should. But I'm stopping. [1:41:09] But this is another thing I didn't know. What I didn't know. [1:41:12] is that... [1:41:14] White comedians actually... [1:41:18] have beef with each other. [1:41:21] I did not know, or at least it's not, you don't hear about it. It's rare. It's rare. [1:41:26] It's more rare, and the ones who have beef are usually failures. They're usually people that aren't doing well. No, no, no, no, no. [1:41:34] Okay. I'm exposing the industry right now. I'm not exposing. I have an example so funny. And this was interesting. I was at the comedy store. [1:41:42] Are you telling me this? This is so fucking funny to me, Zach. About two months ago, right? I'm good friends with Bill Burr. You know, we did. We had the Rich Bitch Tour with Charlie Murphy, me, Bill Burr years ago. And I know Marc Maron. [1:41:58] Right. I don't know. What I found out is I didn't know Mark Maron the way white people know Mark Maron. [1:42:04] Right. So I know Marc Maron. [1:42:07] Like when I see Mark Maron, I was like, oh, that's the guy that had one of the greatest podcasts out. That guy that was one of the alternative comedy favorites. Mark Maron's special. So when I see Mark Maron, I have a certain level of respect. Like, oh, that's the guy who did it, whatever. So I was doing Annie Letterman's show. Annie Wood or whatever, right? And I love that girl.

[1:42:28] And I'm in a green room and I'm smoking a joint. I forget who sponsored his weed, but it was incredible, right? So I'm in here and I'm Cracker Joe's. Bill is right there. [1:42:37] And then Marcus over by the side of the door and I'm cracking jokes with Bill and everything. And I felt something did. Nobody was really laughing at my jokes. Right. There all of a sudden a whole fucking argument popped off. And it was like it was white argument because it was so nice. They were so gentlemen to each other. It was a whole bunch of. Oh, yeah, but you'll never do my podcast. It was like podcast beats. I'm right in the middle. [1:43:02] I don't even know. I didn't even know that they had beef like this, but they were so gentle about it. But I tell you the difference between white beef and black beef. I never felt that I was going to get shot. [1:43:13] Yo, I felt so safe. Yo, if anything, I thought it'd be like lawsuits the next morning, defamation of character, slander. But I never knew that it was fucking Caucasian on Caucasian beef like that. But this is an example. And it was entertaining. This is an example. [1:43:32] And now he's not. So Mark Maron had the number one podcast. And after a while, his podcast wasn't even in the top 200. It dropped off. [1:43:40] Bill Burr, his career's [1:43:43] took off. He's doing arenas. He's killing it. Mark's not. And Mark finds reasons to criticize other people that are doing much better than him. And he focuses on that because he thinks he should be getting more than he deserves. But do you think that's going back to being a provocateur? He knows if he talked to shit, people engaged? No, no, no. I think it's going back to being bitter and jealous and thinking about other people instead of thinking about himself and why people don't want to go see him anymore.

[1:44:06] He was upset when we left the Comedy Store because we took the crowds away. [1:44:10] And it's like, hey, you were on the fucking marquee too, man. Right. They're not coming to see you. And the reason why they're not coming to see you is because you're not doing well. [1:44:18] And your podcast was in the top. It was number one. And when it was at number one, by the way, this is what I always say about Marc Maron, he was great. [1:44:26] Mark Maron was fun to hang out with when he was killing it because he was happy. [1:44:30] Because he was getting validation because he had the number one podcast. We were friends like I did his podcast. He did mine. We had a good time. I'd hug him when I see him. [1:44:38] Like we had gone back and forth many times of having beef with each other. His problem, let me finish. His problem was when everybody else started doing really good and he started dropping off. Right. That's what happened. Just what I don't understand. Why can't people understand that you have a moment? Because he's a fucking narcissist and he wants the moment to always be around him. [1:44:59] He wants it to always be about him. And when other people are doing better than him, he wants to talk shit about them. And that's where Bill had a problem with it. You think being a narcissist in this field is a bad thing? For some reason, I think that kind of fuels you to be the person that you are, to be determined to do it and not give a fuck about what anybody thinks. Well, having... [1:45:15] Self-respect and having an ego where you care about what you put out, yes, that's a good thing. But making it all about you and not being able to appreciate other people's work is crazy because other people doing well can be fuel for you to be inspired and do better yourself. And that's a positive thing. And if these people are your friends and you love them and you care about them, you should be happy that they're killing it. And if you're not killing it anymore, you should try to figure out why. Because it's not like the door is not open. It's not like you're not getting on stage.

[1:45:45] out specials. You should probably figure out why your podcast dropped from number one to not even in the top 200 anymore without anything happening. You didn't get arrested. There was no scandal. There was nothing crazy. [1:45:57] You should try to figure that out. And he doesn't do that because he's instead bitter, bitter and jealous. He's always been like that. I didn't know that story about Jon Stewart. And Andrew Schultz came on the podcast and told the story about Jon Stewart and Maren where Maren confronted Jon Stewart. But Jon Stewart got some television show. He called him a fucking sellout. He yelled at him, all this different shit. [1:46:16] Jon Stewart left the show and they hired Maron to do the same show. Yeah. The same show that he was calling Jon Stewart for being a sellout. So how did you go from that to, okay, for you to have one of the biggest podcasts, at some point in your career, you had to be likable or you think people just wanted to do this show because of the platform? There wasn't very many podcasts back then. The thing that killed Maron's podcast, my personal opinion, no hate, is that he has this rant at the beginning of his podcast that's not... [1:46:43] I don't think it's good. And the rant was long, and he would just ramble about himself, was very self-obsessed, and I just don't think it was good. And I think that was part of the problem. It's also the problem was how he interviewed people. He had a very confrontational interview style specifically with some comedians that he felt like were below him or that he could pick on. You would think that that style would work in this day and age? No, no, no, no, no. People don't want always to be uncomfortable. They want to like you, man. They want you to be a good person. People want train wrecks. [1:47:12] They want train wrecks for 15-second or 30-second Instagram clips. They don't want train wrecks to be their primary thing they're listening to when they're in traffic on the way to work. But the people that host these podcasts now, like, I think people go on these podcasts now and like this, oh, this is going to be clickbait. We're going to go viral. Yeah, but they're not that talented. That's why they're doing it is because that's their only method of getting attention.

[1:47:42] then their podcast would be about that. [1:47:46] You know what? It's all in what you're trying to focus on. What I try to focus on in my podcast is who do I want to talk to? [1:47:53] I never have someone on and go, oh, this would be great. It would be very controversial. People would fucking hate them. It would be crazy. They would say wild shit. I never do that. My podcast is only about who do I want to talk to. That's why I have a lot of people on that aren't even remotely famous because they're interesting. I find them interesting. I find with a book they wrote interesting, the documentary they made interesting. I want to know something about them. It stimulates my curiosity. Do you think that there's going to be a – [1:48:20] a shift? Do you think that [1:48:22] These salacious interviews, these interviews with the provokter, you think that... I don't think about it. Okay. That's my key. I don't think about it. You know what's so funny? I will say this. You know what's funny about what you said? That I was with Dave a while ago, and he echoed the exact same thing, and I was having this conversation with him. He said, D., [1:48:40] I don't even think about that shit. Yeah, don't think about it. There's other things to think about. I've said this too many times. If people have heard this before, I'm sorry. [1:48:48] Think of your focus and your attention like a number. Think of you have like 100 points in a day to spend on things. If you spend 30 of those points thinking about haters or 30% of those thinking about bitter people, 30% thinking about other people that are doing better than you, that's 30% that you robbed. [1:49:08] from the 100% that you have to focus on your life. [1:49:11] I have things to do, man. I have a family. I have friends. I have loved ones. I have interests. I have hobbies.

[1:49:17] I have comedy and podcasts and the UFC and all these different things that I like to do, and I think about those things. I don't think about negative, stupid things with people that have bitter, angry minds that are concentrating on other people's success and trying to tear them down all the time because they're trying to tear them down all the time because they compare themselves to them, and they don't like how they stack up. They don't like the fact that that person is doing better. They don't like the fact that person is more successful. Yeah. [1:49:43] So they try to take things either out of context or they try to misrepresent who that person is. They try to change public perception of that person to try to drag that person down. And it's transparent. The reason why it doesn't work is because people inherently know what you're trying to do. It might get people, oh, there's beef. Oh, there's beef. Those are simple-minded people that you're always going to attract. [1:50:05] But you're not going to change people's opinions of things. Right. It's a trick. It's a trap that you're playing on yourself. [1:50:11] It's a waste of your precious resources. You only have so much time in the day. [1:50:16] My time I spend on things that I think are interesting or beneficial or things that excite my curiosity. And I think that is the way I like to live my life. Now, if you like to live your life constantly engaged in beefs and being filled with anxiety and stress and you want to do that, okay. But those are bitter fucking people. I don't want to be a bitter person. In another life, could you have been a therapist? [1:50:37] Thank you. [1:50:39] Well... [1:50:40] I majored in psychology. [1:50:42] For the brief amount of time that I was in college. That was what I was interested in. But I was doing that because I was fighting at the time. And I was trying to figure out how to manage my mind. So I was trying to figure out the inner workings of the human psyche. Do you think – I know this is – I'm not –

[1:50:56] Do you think your success... [1:51:00] made you a more calm, [1:51:04] Person to not give a fuck. Well, it certainly helps right you don't have to give a fuck if you have enough money that you could just like disappear off into the sunset never have to worry about money because a lot of people are always worried about money and so you're always constantly in the state of anxiety trying to get more. [1:51:19] That helps. [1:51:20] But it's also, it's like... [1:51:22] There's other things in life. I concentrate on my loved ones. I concentrate on my friends. I concentrate on things I enjoy doing on fun. [1:51:29] This life is short, man. You and I are 58 years old. We're more than halfway dead. Why would you spend time concentrating on people you don't like? Because one thing if someone's wronging you is one thing if you find out, [1:51:42] You have a business partner who's been stealing money. Or you have someone who's lying about you. [1:51:48] No, I'm just saying. His own brother stole from him. I know Dane is like this. What the fuck? [1:51:55] Yeah, it's very... [1:51:57] Very interesting. And I'm at a place right now. I was I was with Jon Hamm. [1:52:03] Right. [1:52:03] San Francisco. And I had just did a show with Dave. And it was interesting. He said something to me. He's in the back and he's with his wife and me kicking it. He used to come out to summer camp and everything, hang out with us. [1:52:13] I don't want to say we're super friends, but we have mutual respect for each other. And it was interesting because we were in the green room. [1:52:18] And this is after I just slayed this audience or whatever, right? And I'm feeling good. And he said, Donna, what is it that you really want to do? [1:52:26] He said, what is it that you want?

[1:52:28] I said, what kind of question? He said, no, I mean, what is it, what is it, TV? [1:52:31] is it TV show? Is it movies? I was like, [1:52:34] John, I'm doing exactly what I want to do. [1:52:38] For me to be able to wake up, not have to work for anybody, call my own shots, [1:52:43] make a fair wage, take care of my families, enjoy my friends and everything. And it's me connecting with a God-given talent. Anything else is a bonus. I don't look at it like I need the private jet and everything. Certain things, you know, that would be nice. But I just look at what this life has given me, and I'm appreciative of that. [1:53:04] I know so many people of my class, whatever, that aren't doing nearly as well as I am, or even the ones that aren't. That don't mean that they're happy. [1:53:13] You know what I'm saying? So when he asked my question, I didn't think any bad of it, but I was like this, I don't [1:53:19] Caught up on looking at somebody they got this they got that I like this am I happy am I comfortable? Do I get to do what I want? So whether I tell people all this all the time whether I get another film opportunity whether I get another TV show or whatever and [1:53:33] or any of that, I'm living... [1:53:36] what some people's dreams are. Yes. And it's not my dream. It's my reality. Yes. And I also had to realize this is so easy for us to do. You can be so connected with somebody. And even with my situation, with my connection with Dave and everything, I'm a huge fan of Dave. He's given me great opportunities and everything. But at some point in my life, I had to say, you can't be caught up in somebody else's dream so much that you forget your realities.

[1:54:03] And my reality is whether I'm alongside of him or what I'm doing, I got to continue to be Don A. Rollins. I got to continue to support my family. I got to continue to do things that I do. And it's so easy. It's so easy for me to get caught up. I'm like, I'm rolling with Dave. We on the Jets. We doing this type of shit. But then I'll lose focus on who I am. And I realize for me and my career continues to go when I know how to make that separation. I do have a future. [1:54:33] hate him at all. You're not jealous of him. Not at all. You might get caught up in the wave because you're hanging out with one of the greatest comics that's ever lived, but it doesn't mean that it's a negative. And you know, another thing, let me add to that. [1:54:45] And I'm not blowing my own horn or whatever. Like you said, one of the greatest communities ever lived, right? [1:54:49] If a person had a conversation with Dave Chappelle, people could say whatever I'm worried about people think. If you ask Dave. [1:54:56] Who is in his top five comedians? [1:54:59] My name is going to come up. [1:55:00] So as much as people, they always try to pin me like blah, blah, this and everything. I respect the fact that. [1:55:09] he respects me, I respect him when we work together, we push each other we make each other, whatever people want to say we make each other [1:55:17] better. And what other people understand is that he's truly my friend. [1:55:23] You know what I mean? It's not like I just work on a show. He's my friend. And even with some of my fondest memories, especially when I come here, is when we was doing those fucking shows. Yeah. When we was doing shit nobody was doing. We're doing those lockdown shows. That was fun. Yo, it was so wild times. It was it was it's all it was already. We already have a community. We all have mutual respect for each other. But the thing that made that so special wasn't nobody doing this shit. Right. That's what made it. And it really one thing about the pandemic.

[1:55:53] you appreciate life [1:55:55] A lot more than before the pandemic. Yeah, I mean, you appreciate freedom. Freedom. The ability to do shows. [1:56:02] Remember we did those shows outside and everybody was wearing a mask? It was so stupid. And they all got tested, too. [1:56:09] We've got... [1:56:10] They was I was I had so much fun during the pandemic. I was almost embarrassed to show the pictures I wanted to show like faceless shit. Yo, no, we would take pictures and people was like this. Look at him. He could kill my grandmother. Yeah. All right. First of all, you did it. Dave did. I was like, people like this. Oh, it must be nice to have rich friends that have testing machines. I was like, you're absolutely right. It is. It's beautiful. It is the most amazing shit ever. [1:56:40] in a row when we were doing the shows in the cornfields and shit. But this is what people [1:56:48] the opportunity that village of Yellow Springs, he made it as safe as it could be. Like any place we would go, hotels, staff, everybody had an opportunity to get a [1:56:58] Everybody had an opportunity to get tested. And I remember this was very interesting. [1:57:03] When the bubble, we did one, this was Bob Saget, R.I.P. We were doing these shows. And I think that before Bob passed away, when he came out to Yellow Springs and was hanging out with us and everything, he gave him some incentive to want to go back on the road. He just got really excited about doing it again. We did like 55 shows. The summer was over. The run was clear. We had no time.

[1:57:28] positives or anything, Dave extended the show. [1:57:32] Another week and that week was when the bubble popped right and now everybody's like freaking out like oh my god these same women that was people's coming out there when they was getting flown out and. [1:57:44] Jets, they weren't getting traffic, but Dave created an environment. He wanted his friends around. We was going to restaurants. We would have the whole spot. We was just doing all this stuff. Nobody was... [1:57:53] thinking about the possible consequences of that. And I remember this one girl was like, oh my God, I don't even know why I'm here. Then I looked at Dave. I was like, yo, man, damn, we almost made it, man, through. He was like... [1:58:03] Daniel. [1:58:04] It's going to be okay. He said, you got to realize this is the reason why we test. [1:58:09] When we first got our first positive, had we not been testing, it could have been crazy. And we got a first positive because dudes went to do somebody else's podcast and they didn't test. Remember that? I remember that. Yeah. I remember that because I remember that scene. It was so funny. Yeah. That was here. Yeah. And, um, [1:58:28] It was like [1:58:30] something was different because we had one positive and you remember that backstage used to be packed out, right? It started getting lower and lower, right? It was basically like me, Sife Sounds. Somebody else was in the green room, right? And then Big Jay came. That's one of my friends, good friends. Big Jay came back and he had this look on his face like it's over, right? He came in there and I looked and I said, [1:58:51] The boss man got it. He's like, yep. [1:58:53] And another thing Dave could have did, this is why I respect this character, he could have been, at that time, he could have just been in the mask, went on stage, went back out. He canceled the show, but the funniest shit, it's a whole at Stubbs, Roman sold out, right? And then Cena comes back and Cena was like, "I need you to go out there and tell people that the show is canceled, right?" I said, "You don't need me to do that shit, nigga." Because the minute, it's one thing, if I go out there...

[1:59:21] People will be like, show starting. [1:59:23] Right. And as a comedian, I'm not going to not tell jokes. Oh, yeah, Dave, not going to show up. But that was the crazy thing about that. Everybody at the line hotel, they was making jokes. They call it Corona of COVID row. [1:59:37] Because we had the whole floor locked down, right? [1:59:42] Everybody on our team got it. But it felt like an old school chicken pop party. You know what I'm saying? It's like, we got it. We got it. [1:59:51] What I tell you man, what we did, like, everything was like, okay, make sure you had your vitamins, all that type of shit. But the beauty of it was... [1:59:58] We was like, you know, people was testing out like eight or nine days, right? So we thought he was going to leave. After a while, we was like, I was like, wait a minute. The next room is going to be in 10 days. And for some reason, everybody went back to being negative. We closed, did more shows, and we got the fuck about it. But it was a beautiful time, man. It was a beautiful time. It was a time to be alive. Yep. It was a fun time. But it was crazy. And then we did that. What the fucking joint we did? [2:00:23] It was in Tacoma. Mm-hmm. The Superdome. That was wild. That was $25,000? Whatever it was. We broke the Tacoma Dome record. I never been in a place where the laughter was so hard. It felt like helicopters was on the bus. It was crazy. [2:00:41] This is what I respect about what you guys did. You got people saying they're doing arenas and shit, but normally, but that was pre-COVID, brother. [2:00:48] It was pre-COVID? Yeah, that was pre-COVID. That was before everything popped off. What I will say about a real arena show, you got...

[2:00:54] The arena show where a quarter of the venue is being used for stage. Right? So it ain't the true capacity. Right. But the shows you motherfuckers are doing, it was amazing. [2:01:06] in the realm. Right. Well, the wildest thing was walking through the crowd to get to the stage. Those are crazy times. Man, you've experienced this shit of that walk from UFC shit. Man, I'm so grateful for you guys' friendship and everything. And for me, it was so special for me because... [2:01:25] I didn't sell a ticket. [2:01:27] Nobody else, no opening song. You and Dave sold those tickets, right? But the best feeling for me, Joe, was when I go out and DJ Tramon be like, you seen them on HBO's The Wire. You seen them on BMF, whatever. But simple line. But you fell in love with Ash Larry Chappelle's show. And them people fucking go crazy. I don't give a fuck if you've ever been in the fist fight in your life when you come through them tunnels. You doing this shit right here. You feel like Tyson. Like, just give me a robe. Just give me a towel. I'm about to go beat these motherfuckers up. [2:01:57] Every show we had, there was no room for being okay. You had to be on your game every time. Yeah, it was fun. It was a good time. Well, that was when all that COVID shit went down with me, when CNN turned my face green. That was because of a Nashville show that we were doing that we had to cancel. [2:02:15] Yeah, I didn't know that. That's what that was. Yeah, we were supposed to do a show that weekend, and I got COVID the previous weekend. I was doing an arena with Tony in Florida, and I got COVID in Florida, and then I made that video on like a Tuesday or a Wednesday. It was like the third day after I got COVID, when I got over it, and I was like, you know, I feel fine, but we have to cancel the shows this weekend. Right. And that's when all the shit went down because I took Ivermectin. That was those arena shows. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, they were like, oh, yeah. He has to answer everything.

[2:02:45] If he don't have the answer, at least he's fucking trying to find it. [2:02:48] It's so interesting. Well, whether or not I had the answer, the crazy thing is I was better. [2:02:53] I was already better. [2:02:54] And they turned my face green on CNN. We got to see how crazy the media really is. They didn't want to hear nothing, but you have to take this vaccine. And you have to do that. And if you didn't take this vaccine, you're a part of the problem. [2:03:13] time was. [2:03:15] I'm just... How was it just like fucking... [2:03:20] Over now, is it herd immunity? How is it just like it almost like immunity? It's it's yeah. It's also, you know, everybody who got it, got it. You got immunity because of it. And then also whatever variants are still left, they're significantly diminished. That's how viruses generally cold strand now. Right. Yes. Well, that's how viruses generally go. They become more transmissible, but less potent. [2:03:42] over time. Yeah, and that's what happened. I'm going to tell you, there was a time though, man. I even said, man, maybe it was just something about how people got along with each other. I was like, we should do like once a year, just have a week of just lockdown. Yo, just so you can get it. It makes you appreciate freedom. That's for sure. It made me appreciate nature, bro. I bought a fucking house in Yellow Spring because I was like, you know what? Trees, woods. I don't know if the streets can handle this, but I became a bird watcher, bro. [2:04:12] I watched birds. I watched birds.

[2:04:15] You know what that does to my street credit? [2:04:20] What? To know the difference between a Cardinal and a Blue Jay. [2:04:23] Is that bad? It's not the most good. Listen. [2:04:32] It's a blue jay call. I can't be in the street talking about... It was good shit. If you can't appreciate nature, that's whatever. [2:04:41] That's a bullshit narrative. That's ridiculous. [2:04:45] Here's the thing. [2:04:46] I didn't crash out. [2:04:48] Today. Didn't crash out. [2:04:49] I know people think I'm a crash out king. It's not that. Sometimes I just need to talk. You mean on the show today? Yeah. What did I? No. No, you definitely accused Jamie of wearing a leather jacket. Jamie did have a leather jacket. He had a leather jacket on, man. And I think he brushed his eyebrows, too. It was everything. I was like, I've never seen this sexy side of Jamie. He had like a British accent. [2:05:14] He was like, I think you want a book. You only share it. I was like, who is? He brushed his eyebrows. [2:05:19] Who the fuck is this person, man? It was something different. [2:05:24] We definitely went through something that most people will never experience. [2:05:28] In their life. Nope. And most previous generations never experienced it. Having a nationwide, worldwide pandemic that everybody freaked out and we didn't. Not only did we didn't freak out, we did shows, we had a good time, we hung out together. Those after parties when we go to the line, you had a DJ, we would laugh and laugh. We would laugh till two, three o'clock in the morning.

[2:05:50] You know, I was so much fun girl. I was dating the time that she couldn't believe that she was like, oh [2:05:56] I would be like this. So what do you do? I was like, well, I was at the line... [2:06:01] Kicking it with Dave and Joe. What did y'all do? Just talking and laughing until 3.30 in the morning. They were like, get the fuck out of here. You was fucking. No, I wasn't. We was just on some brohood shit. It was just really good. And we also realized how special it was that we could do this while the whole world was locked down. Yep. [2:06:19] I'm telling you, I was embarrassed to show pictures. My mother would call me, "You better be careful out there." I'm like, "Man, I'm getting tested." We got tested more than probably anybody in the country. And that's- I got tested every day because I was doing podcasts through the whole thing. I did your show doing that one time. Yeah. And then we didn't, I sat down before I got the results. [2:06:37] The last time I was here, you was like, did he get the test? I'm like, please don't come in here. Like, get this motherfucker out of here. Well, we definitely had a couple of people that tested positive. We had to get them out. [2:06:51] And I tested positive once. But the thing about it, taking those precautions, you could isolate it. You knew where it came and you shut it down. That's one thing. If you're not doing that, it's all over the place. Just think about it. Imagine if Jamie would have got COVID. Then we would have never seen his sexy side now. Jamie got COVID. He got COVID before anybody. He got COVID really early on when there was no vaccine, no treatment, no nothing. Yeah. [2:07:13] He had to take a whole week off. [2:07:15] um, [2:07:16] maybe that's why he has the attitude that [2:07:19] He has. Yo, y'all get all this. But we did the Kanye podcast. You had COVID that week, right? Yeah. Yeah, he missed the Kanye podcast.

[2:07:29] Yeah, but I'm sorry, Jamie, if you thought I said anything that was kind of disrespectful to your character. Well, it was just totally false. No, it wasn't. I'm telling you. That fucking ponytail, I don't know what the fuck he did about it that time. Like a Steven Seagal ponytail. Yeah, and it was. Slick back. And not only that, but he put his hair back like this. [2:07:46] almost like a ditty party that's how you start ditty parties [2:07:51] Boiled up. [2:07:52] I'm going to say that because I was... Never mind. I never went to a Diddy Park. I have a photo, but I never went to a Diddy Park. Jesus Christ. [2:08:01] Yeah, it's like... [2:08:02] I think people are going to be wiser if something like that happens again. Could it ever happen again? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. There's a lot of people that think they engineered that whole thing. They wanted it to happen. [2:08:13] It's the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history. Small businesses went down. Big businesses got made more money. Look what it did to Zoom. [2:08:24] Yep. Zoom took off. I remember Zoom because I had a show in Naples where I met this doctor that he wanted me to be on this podcast. And I was like, how are we going to do it? He said, we can do it by Zoom. This was when it was only like for like business people. It was really like the nerdy thing. [2:08:54] up. So many businesses did the same thing. Is anybody using that anymore? [2:08:57] Zoom? Yeah. They use it for an excuse not to talk to somebody. Yeah. Do they do Zoom podcasts anymore? Do people do Zoom podcasts? I never hear that term.

[2:09:07] It used to be things like, oh, we're going to do it on Zoom. I don't hear that anymore. A few other platforms exist now. I don't even think people discuss it. Yeah, they had one. One was at Clubhouse or whatever, all of these things. Oh, yeah. Clubhouse was popular. Clubhouse is a big one. That was a big one where people were essentially doing podcasts. Like anybody could just chime in and talk shit. People was getting like a million followers in three days and shit. Oh, yeah. There was a lot of that. And a lot of people thought that that was going to keep going. [2:09:31] Like, Clubhouse is going to be the new thing. I'm like, it's just bad podcasting. And it's what... There was only... So many things. That battle, the diversest battles that they do now when they have... It's mostly... It's been hip-hop and R&B. I think it was... Who was it? It was... [2:09:48] damn, Swiss Beats and Timbaland, I think, they started this thing during the pandemic. It was versus, right, where you have an artist versus another artist in, like, a competitive type of situation. They didn't win anything, but it was just entertaining for everybody. And that went from, like, it was so low level, like, people was in front of their computers. It was freezing up and everything, but it was what everybody was doing. Now, that's, like, one of the biggest things now. They did one at Madison Square Gardens. Like, it's a big thing now when you want to. [2:10:18] Like you got, I think that they had cash money and no limit records, but it's very, I don't see no white verses, but it's a popular thing. And this started because of the pandemic. Well, so many businesses started during the pandemic because a lot of people got laid off. So they started their own business. A lot of online businesses started. Yeah. [2:10:35] A lot of people quit their jobs because they realize, look, they could just take this shit away from me at any minute. Why am I doing something that I hate when I thought there was security in it? There's no security in it. I'm going to start my own business. Also, even like you, you're an example of what happens when you finally realize that you don't need Hollywood the way it used to be. No. Well, we figured that out a long time ago. We figured that out when the podcast started kicking off.

[2:11:01] in like the early 2010s, I realized that. I was like, this is, I don't need TV shows anymore. We figured that out in like 2013, 2014. And Hollywood is not like... [2:11:13] It used to be. I'm a very old school guy, but I remember when I first started, you couldn't make it in this business. You had to be in New York or L.A. Yep. There was no producers going to – if they wasn't going to Toledo, Ohio, there was no way. This was big. Well, there was no comedy communities outside of New York and L.A. No, not at all. Not a real community. There might have been like a good club that had some – like Denver always had like good opening acts, good community. [2:11:43] But it wasn't like a real hub like Austin is now. [2:11:48] And that wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for the pandemic. People wouldn't have moved. They wouldn't have moved. No. And you brought a whole community here. As much as this place was always big for music or whatever, but there's no way anybody can not agree with what you did and what you made appealing to a lot of people is that you could go somewhere else, get a better quality of life and everything. Lower cost of living, better quality of life, no traffic, nicer people, and no Hollywood bullshit. [2:12:18] But L.A. is always going to be poisoned by the idea of going there to become famous. Right. That whole idea was permeated in the culture of L.A. and that fame was like the number one commodity. But back then it was. That was the case. It was the case. Go ahead. I'm sorry. But the problem is that's bad for art. It's bad for your ability to produce shit. I mean, you got great comics that came out of L.A., but that was in spite of what L.A. had to offer.

[2:12:48] It wasn't because of. Whereas Austin, like the main reason people come here, first of all, is Kill Tony. Because like you said, Kill Tony is one of the rare places where you can be a comic that's been doing comedy three, four years. I mean, even just start now, but you got some talent. You can have a fucking career. Yeah. Like a real career and it'll launch. Look, you got Cam Patterson who's on SNL right now. You got all these people like William Montgomery, David Lucas. They're killing it on the road, selling out everywhere they go. [2:13:17] Ari Maddy, this guy, I mean, they have a real career now. But you know, another thing that they don't understand is like, this is what I say. And I usually use you as an example. This episode is brought to you by blinds.com. Texas summers don't mess around with patio surfaces easily reaching 150 degrees, hot enough to make your backyard feel like a punishment. And if your windows are bare, indoor temperatures can go up 20 degrees. [2:13:47] blinds.com. Whether you want to do it yourself or have a pro handle everything, they've got you covered. It's all online so you can shop whenever you want but still have access to real design professionals. They'll even send free samples. Blinds.com has been doing this for 30 years and they back everything with a 100% satisfaction guarantee so you can order with confidence. Right [2:14:17] and use the promo code ROGAN40. Limited time offer, blinds.com, promo code ROGAN40. Rules and restrictions apply. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. When you're looking to hire, you consider someone's skills, experience, availability, but even more important than that is someone's enthusiasm. They should want to be there. Finding the right kind of motivation isn't as tough as you think. You just need ZipRecruiter.

[2:14:47] free at ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. ZipRecruiter connects you with qualified candidates instantly, and their latest feature puts the most interested ones at the top of your list, so you can make sure you're speaking with the right people at the start. Use ZipRecruiter and find enthusiastic talent fast. Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day, [2:15:17] free at ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. That's ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. Whenever you hear about somebody saying that they want to do a podcast, the first thing is certain names like, I want to be Joe Rogan. And I said this before, nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan fucking 25 years ago. They didn't want to put the work in. They want to see the accolades, the fortune you've built. They see that part, but nobody sees the hard work. [2:15:47] even with Kill Tony, the fact that during the pandemic, when he could have let the whole platform just fall apart, like we don't know when we're going to do it, he dug deeper and figured out a way I'm just going to continue to do it. Nobody ever respects the journey. Right. And if you think about it, Joe, and you're probably the same way, most successful people, and I know some very, very wealthy people, right, and when they talk about their career or whatever, they hardly ever talk about the yacht. [2:16:17] they have ever talked about the the fucking match they got in Paris you know they talk about it was just me and my wife and we drove a Toyota you know a Toyota Corolla and we was like we was down to our last 10 bucks and she did this that's the most interesting part of the story for most successful people and people don't understand that right they only think about where you got to right I want to get to there too they want to skip everything I have people right now I want to be like stand up I'm like

[2:16:43] All right, well... [2:16:44] No, when I was on HBO's The Wire, [2:16:47] right this guy i knew i grew up with he was like this motherfucker said yo d what's the number to the wire i want to call him i want to be on the wire like there's a wire hey is this david simon [2:17:00] I could be Omar. They don't. I was like, and guess what? If I knew the number to the wire, [2:17:07] I'm not giving it to you. I'm not giving it to you. I want you to get that busy signal. [2:17:13] That's what it is. Nobody ever wants to respect the grind. And they all, everybody wants the rewards of the grind. What's the work in? Everybody. It's just people that are, they're missing it. They're not getting what it's all about. What it's all, like Kill Tony is a great example of that. I was there in the early days of Kill Tony. When Tony started out in 2013, there was no one in the crowd. There was no one there. It was a small show. [2:17:37] He would have a few comedians. I was doing it back before I was back at the comedy store, but I was still banned. So I was doing it from the Ice House. And he didn't do it thinking it was going to be the number one show in the world and he was going to be on Netflix. And he did it because it was fun to do. And he loved it. And he wanted to do a great job. And he wanted to make it better every week. And he kept doing it and kept getting better at it. It's the same thing with this podcast. This podcast didn't make money for years. It didn't make any money for years. It cost money. [2:18:07] are the ones like even with um when i first started doing comedy right i never do you have some comedians that go out there like i want to do comedy i want to get the money

[2:18:17] I want to get pussy off of it. Right. When I first started, I never the only thing I wanted to do, Joe, I wanted to be good. I was like this. If I'm good, all those other things that are rewards of that, they will happen. But I had to be good first. And here's the thing that I think, especially when you have these like social media communities or whatever. The thing that the interesting thing about it is kind of. [2:18:39] hard to tell somebody to work on the craft when they get all the perks of What the craft can present them at an early time? [2:18:48] Early stage. It's hard to tell somebody that's only been doing it for two years, just making $50,000 or $100,000 a month off of monetizing something. They're like this. You need to get better. Hello? [2:19:00] Well, they don't have to. Like do whatever the fuck you want to do. If you just want to do that, do that. And also some of them are going to figure it out anyway. Some of them are going to figure out I'm not getting better. I'll get better. Work harder at it. There's going to be people that don't figure things out no matter what you do in this life. There's going to be a bunch of people that have a distorted perception of what success is all about and what you really want. [2:19:24] It's always going to be that. What do you... What is... [2:19:26] This is an interesting question. What is your definition of success? [2:19:31] Happiness. [2:19:32] Happiness and doing something that you enjoy doing. It's something that's challenging. So what is your definition of happiness? [2:19:38] Friendship, love... [2:19:40] Doing something I enjoy doing, doing it well, doing it better all the time, getting better at it. You know, and struggle. You're always going to have some kind of a struggle. And that struggle, hopefully, is you trying to be better at the thing that you're doing. You are.

[2:19:56] What gives you, this is an interesting question. [2:19:58] What gives you [2:20:00] The incentive... [2:20:02] to [2:20:03] Always continue. [2:20:05] to want to perform, what gives you incentive to always want to do Joe Rogan and Friends when you could just sit back and fucking just do everything? Because it's fun. [2:20:13] It's fun. First of all, the green room on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at the mothership is some of the funniest times I've ever had in my fucking life. It's so fun. We have so much fun there. There's Ron White there and Shane Gillis and Tony. It's fun. It's a community. It sounds like you're trying to get me to change my flight. We enjoy our times. Would you want to come on? I've got to come to Tuesday. What are you doing tomorrow? [2:20:37] Come on, Donnell. [2:20:38] What do you got going on tomorrow? Where are you headed back to Ohio? No, I'm going to L.A. Do you have a show? [2:20:45] I got a son. [2:20:46] Okay, well, that's different. That's more important. But I can just give him some Roblox money. [2:20:53] He'll be like, yo, I'll give you some Roblox money. He'll be cool. Let me tell you, I might, because, Cam, I wish I would have even thought about it before. But I might, because I haven't had that experience. Oh, calm down then. If you can. If your son's cool with it, do it. If not, there's always another time. I can brag. And this is another thing about me being an older dad. Like, my son is really the age. He could be my grandson. [2:21:16] I don't have time to do all those instill vials and morals and shit. I'm like this. Will Candy shut this motherfucker up? Yo, I'm like, yo, let's go to McDonald's or whatever. But yeah, I'm going to say I would definitely consider that.

[2:21:29] Consider it. Yeah. But that's what I like. [2:21:32] I mean, I'm just enjoying my life and I like to do things that I find that are interesting and challenging. [2:21:37] And I like to have conversations with interesting people. And I like the fact that people enjoy it still. You know, when I first met you, you know, and I already knew that – [2:21:48] You had the ultimate platform, right? And I never, this is me, and I don't know if this is what happened, but I was like, I never wanna be like, [2:21:56] "Hey Joe Rogan, I'm Donnell Roms from so and so." And the only respect I ever wanted to get from my peers and people that were doing it was like from the stage. [2:22:03] You know, I always like I was like, if we ever make the connection, I wanted to be off of, yo, this motherfucker is funny first, not just like, hey, you know, I rock with David and I think that was what happened. I used to spend time and I never never even to this day. I don't know. I just look at like. [2:22:20] I just want people, you can respect me as a man and respect my character or whatever, [2:22:27] At the end of the day, what I love to do the most is stand up. I want you to be like, yo, this motherfucker puts the work in, and then we can build everything off of that. That's what respect I want. I want the respect from what I put in the work I put in. And if people can acknowledge that, then that's what builds my relationship with you. It's built my relationships with all of these guys. Bird, all of these people that I fuck with now. It ain't because anything other than like, yo, he's a dope comic, and then you can find out that I'm a good dude out there. Yeah. [2:22:57] It's that, and then after that, it's got to be like, are you cool?

[2:23:01] Right. Is he fun to hang out with? Right. Yeah. Barry Kess said that one time. He said that in one of his podcasts. It's one of the things that separate like who goes on the road or so and so is if you're a good hang. Yeah. Oh, my God. I don't know how many people quote Barry Kess, but I want to share this story. You might be the only one. You probably only one. But you said something earlier about undeniable. Right. Yeah. I remember when I first moved from D.C. and I moved up to New York, I was doing the Chitlin circuit, the black circuit. [2:23:31] It was popular in the black community, whatever. I was like, I don't think this is going to be enough. I want to do the mainstream stuff. I want to do these other things, right? And Barry Katz, Dave used to host this comedy night, this place called El Flamingo's in New York. [2:23:47] And Barry Katz saw me there one day. He was like, I don't think I've ever seen a comedian that go in front of an audience that would ready to rip someone's head off. And you could hear silence. You know, that's the control I had with the audience. So we built sort of a respect for each other. And I remember one time I was at the Comedy Cellar and he was there. And I knew that he was back then. Whatever you want to say about him, nobody had a roster bigger than Barry Katz. [2:24:12] Back then in like 97 or whatever, he had... [2:24:16] Everybody. [2:24:17] The list goes on and on. And I knew he was a fan of mine. And I said, "Barry, man, I'm trying to work these clubs, these mainstream clubs, but I'm having a hard time getting into passing these clubs." I was like, "Could you make a phone call or whatever for me?" And he looked at me, he said, "Donnell."

[2:24:36] This is what you do. I'll probably do the worst. Everybody does a better Barry catch. You got to do Barry like this. Yes. Okay, I'll try it again. He was like, this is what you do. And slow it down. He said, Donnell, just rip Barry. [2:24:52] Right. He said, yeah, be undeniable. [2:24:54] That's what he said. He said, just be, he said, I'm not talking. And I tell, this is advice I give people. They say, well, I need so-and-so. I was like, I'm not talking about have one good set and you have four bad sets. I'm talking about the consistency where every time somebody sees you go on that stage, you blowing the roof off. [2:25:13] And once you do that, the managers are going to come to you. They're going to hear about it. That's one of the things that a lot of people try to skip. They're like, oh, how was your set? It was okay, but I can't talk to you unless you just straight just destroying shit everywhere. [2:25:29] Then you got others you have to work on. Yeah. And there's also a lot of people that are very delusional about how well they're doing because they want so much. They want it all to be about them. So they think they should have already had this. They should have already had that. Why don't I have a sitcom? Why don't I have a this? Why don't I have a that? And I always said this is another thing. Even with these lineups, you do these shows, whatever. Always say that you have time to have a defining moment. If you're in a room, right, and for some reason the room is on fire, the club is on fire, [2:25:59] is ripping it. [2:26:01] You probably won't stand out as much as that night when everybody was bombing.

[2:26:06] You've seen rooms where everybody come back and say that crowd was weird, but then you got one motherfucker back there like this. I don't give a fuck what y'all doing. [2:26:14] I'm going to elevate this. Those are the times when you got to fucking stand up. Yeah, well, we used to see that all the time at the store, like late night at the store in particular. Where like, you know, because the way the store works, the show starts at 8 p.m. and it goes on until 2 a.m. And there's a lot of people that get there at 8 p.m. that are like, you know, tourists that are in town. And they sit there for the whole fucking show. They came to see the comedy store. Yeah. [2:26:44] 12, 30 rolls around. Fuck, they've seen everything. And so you get this low period, and then someone will go up and just tear that fucking place apart. We're not 50 people. I was so naive when I first started. [2:26:57] that um uh we used to have open mics right and the open mic list would be like 25 people right and they they fucking the guy that was running they hated me so much because i used to talk shit in the audience and everything and they would keep bumping me down right and my dumb ass never got mad right i was like this yeah they want me to headline 25 comedians i took that i was like

[2:27:27] Yeah, and it would be, but I'm telling you, I think that was one of the things that made me strong. A hundred percent. I was like, I'm going to do what the next person, there's one story, this is, [2:27:41] If you ask... [2:27:43] Dave Chappelle, one of the dopest sets he's ever seen. [2:27:47] I just so happened to be a part of that. It was at the Hollywood Bowl years ago, about three years ago, right? Is that when he got attacked? No, that wasn't. It was like the year before. You know Jeff Wills Live Nation, right? Sure. Shout out to Jeff. Shout out to Jeff. We're doing a show. Hollywood Bowl is 18,000 people, right? So the show starts at 7 o'clock, right? Jeff comes up to me. He was like, Donnie, I've got some good news and bad news. He said, what? He said, we're going to start on time. It's only but 700 people out there, right? [2:28:17] people look like in front of 18,000 place, right? He said, there's only 700 people out there. He said, well, I can let you start now or we can wait 10 minutes. I was like, Jeff, [2:28:28] It's not like... [2:28:29] 17,000 people going to show up in 10 minutes. I said, give me the mic now. [2:28:33] Big-ass stage. I jump off the stage, right? Dave and all these people in the green room, I jump off the stage. I go into the audience. I'm literally going to each person in the theater. And I'll get you a picture. You can answer this. I'm going to each person. Why didn't they wait for the people to show up and sit down? That's what I wanted to say, but they were just like the show has to continue. I don't allow that. I never allow that. They've tried to do that before with me, and they say we're going to have to pay more money. If the show goes over, I go, then the show goes over, and we pay more.

[2:29:03] money but the fuck out of here for me it was a moment because any other comedian not any other most people like this oh was nobody out there so many excuses i jumped off stage i was like no i'm i can't be up here look like i'm about to be auctioned off i go in the audience i'm going to each joint right and i'm fucking killing it's 700 people in front of [redacted address] to start a show but listen and i'm like this and here's the fucked up thing about this nobody's gonna know [2:29:33] are locked up, right? Yo, it was a moment. Dave, everybody from the Green Room came out, right? And Dave told me to this day, he said, if I was doing a class on stand-up comedy, he said, I would use this as an example of owning up to it. And it was so crazy, man. [2:29:55] It was just, it was crazy. I remember another time I was working with... [2:30:01] I think I was working with you. [2:30:02] It was me you and Dave and I think it was a time we was doing an outdoor theater and [2:30:08] That was supposed to be a break. [2:30:11] It was supposed to be me. It was supposed to be, I think, you, Tony or whatever or something. Then it was a break and then it was going to be me and Dave. But it was still daytime. [2:30:22] Right? [2:30:23] Where was this? I can't remember the place. It was still did. Jeff, he came up to me. He was I was already know. [2:30:29] I'm going to have to go on there. And I literally had to perform until it started getting dark. Oh, I remember this show. And I was saying to myself, I was like, ain't no way. I was like this, ain't no way they give a Rogan. And it wasn't as shitty on. People just hadn't come yet. Right. I was like, I knew I was going to even suggest. I was like, nah, we had these two halves, right? And it was, and that was another example. Okay, you got to do what you got to do. And I had to go up there. It wasn't the spot that I expected or whatever, but I was like this, you know,

[2:30:59] the show and I'm always like, what do we need to do to support this? And I had to, we had to bring it down. We had to buy some more time. And then by the time you got on stage, [2:31:08] Everybody was seated. It was dark. It was dark. That was that was outside of San Francisco. I can't remember [2:31:14] That was California. That shit was fun. But I tell people all the time that I do slight mental I was like man It's certain times where you got to do what the next person is [2:31:24] it's not going to do you can't bitch about shit and at the end of the day you got to be a fuck i know when i used to do these shows with day i used to fucking get the shittiest time like what well we're at 30 capacity i'm like man half of these motherfuckers not even gonna see me but i looked at like this well the people that's gonna see me they're gonna remember it you know and you just got to keep on keep on going [2:31:46] That's a good attitude. Yep. Yeah. That's healthy. See, I feel like this. Very productive. This conversation is going to bode well with my mental health. Yeah, I think so, too. Everything except the lies you told about Jamie. [2:32:01] Thank you. [2:32:02] You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to start taking fucking videos. I wish I would have had it. Yeah, I wish I did too. And the thing about it was... You would see like, oh man, he didn't even have a leather jacket on. And he wasn't even talking to me. He was talking to me like, what is it? [2:32:16] I walked up to you and didn't even know who I was at first. Guess why? Why didn't I know? I never know that. I was like, who is this fake-ass Jamie-ass motherfucker? It was almost like, remember when Family Battles, Urkel, and then Stefan? It was two characters. They had the geeky Urkel, and then his alter ego or whatever, he was just this cool-ass. He was the same person. Whatever happened to that, dude?

[2:32:45] Urkel? Yeah. Oh, he's spinning around. What's that? Yeah, he's selling weed. [2:32:49] He was, and his weed is really good. He's got a weed, Urkel Purple? It's the best. He got this joint, he wrote, and it's like some type of Italian noodle, the spiral noodle. He used that as a filter. But also, I spent a lot of time with him because he would come out to the cornfields or whatever, so I've been seeing him. He's got a talk show. Didn't he get jacked? Isn't he like, is that him? Julia White? Yeah. I heard Urkel got in great shape. Yeah, but he's a good guy, man. But he's another one of those celebrities [2:33:19] don't have the heart to do it. Always. I said, no, no, no, don't do that. But he's a great guy. It's hard to start out already famous. That's one of the things that I really respect about Charlie. Charlie was already famous when he was starting comedy. Do you know? [2:33:33] Who started Charlie? [2:33:34] Who? Me. Did you? And this is how it happened. When we were doing the Chappelle show, and it's safe to say, like, nobody was really making money. You know, in a contract, when you in your contract, if your show just blows up, you got to stick to whatever you was getting for the contract. Right. So we weren't making a lot of money doing the show. But I was like, this, we're too popular right now. And that time it was me and Charlie. We was, it was Dave, me and Charlie, like the biggest names on the show.

[2:34:04] at the time, right? He was coming up. And I was like, I told Jason, my manager at the time, Jason Steinberg, I said, man, we got to do a tour or something. I was like, yo, everybody's talking about I'm rich, bitch. I was like, [2:34:14] let's do I'm Rich Bitch tour, right? He was like, it's a good idea. I said, me and Charlie can do it. At the time, that was only a two-man show. Charlie didn't have no time or anything. And I was like, you know what? I want to do it. Because it was my idea. I said, I want to do me, Charlie. I said, we need another comedian. At the time, Bill Burr was not making a lot of money doing stand-up. And I'm not disrespecting him, but everybody knew he was going to blow. But that was early on in the career. And all Bill had to do was have a situation like he had in Philly. [2:34:44] blow right so i said why don't we do a tour me charlie and bill bird that should be hot charlie had never did stand up and i used to he's always cracked jokes and shit i was like yeah you talk a lot of shit but once that microphone your ass you're a bitch ass motherfucker so charlie was a guy like don't threaten him with anything right so this is when they had they had the uh laugh factory in new york for time square right one of my friends was doing the show there i was like charlie yo we're gonna do this tour you gotta at least have 10 minutes he could have at that time [2:35:14] people would have just yelled out, Charlie Murphy! for five minutes. He was the emcee. We just needed his face to be there. And this was [2:35:24] It would be Charlie, Bill Burr, and myself. And Charlie had no jokes. And like you said, I don't know if you guys understand how it is to be selling out as an open mic-er. Crazy. And he had to get his voice. And I was like, why did he never do this? Part of it was because he probably never wanted to be compared to his brother. He never wanted to be able to like, that's his brother. And he had his own style or whatever. So we did this

[2:35:54] And then I saw him start to grow. Sometimes he took some hits, but he became a very good [2:36:00] Charlie Murphy. He became like, I'm not my brother. I'm a storyteller. He stuck to that shit. And one of the things that I would say that I really appreciate about what the Chappelle Show gave to Charlie Murphy, when Charlie Murphy passed away, Joe, nobody said [2:36:18] Eddie Murphy's brother died. [2:36:19] They said Charlie Murphy passed away. So that show didn't do and when I tell you one of the most stand-up Original guys all of those stories like was it true? It was he told that was just part of the story Me Dave me Charlie bill built a relationship. We did something that was spectacular there, but I [2:36:42] Bill Burr used to fuck with us. And I'm gonna tell you one of the things he would do. We would be on the road and all we used to do was argue and fight and just fuck with each other one time. And Bill Burr, he did some fucking, I don't want to call this racist or whatever, but whatever. It was very Bostonian, okay? I won't say. But what he did, I didn't know two years later, Bill Burr, when we'd meet up, he would buy a fucking like 12 piece [2:37:07] of Popeye's chicken, right? And he knew me and Charlie would devour that chicken and we would be in a sleep coma, right? The next 15 minutes. And it was almost like he gave us sleeping pills and shit. He would get us a chicken, we'd be knocked out and then he'd just go and just laugh at us and shit. But that time, that was such a great time because you saw it.

[2:37:27] people's careers being born. Bill was already on the trajectory to be great. But at that time, and this is when I say the stories that you remember, I'm pretty sure Bill still remembers. [2:37:42] He was making like [2:37:44] regular good money every week. You know how it is for being a fucking headliner that's doing $800 a weekend. Right. Or they give you a deal $2,000 and then you get a $500 bonus when you sell or give away 300 tickets. And you're not working every weekend. And you're not working every weekend. And then you got club bonus. Like the bonus is supposed to be at 300. And they'd be like, couldn't give me that bonus. You was at 298. Yeah. I'd be like, motherfucker. And they lied to it. They lied to it. [2:38:14] sold. They lied to, and then they wonder why when guys become big and everything, they don't want to come back, because I remember that. Oh, I remember that. There's a couple club owners that they can go eat shit. And I tell people all the time, when everybody talk about this, I was like, [2:38:27] Yo, try this. Try doing a fucking tour for a year and a half and every night. [2:38:33] You had to come behind Bill Burr. [2:38:36] I had no days off. [2:38:38] And I knew when I had a day off, I wasn't hitting on all cylinders because that's when they used to have comment cards, right? [2:38:47] The comment cards like, I don't know why the white boy didn't go last night. But that always kept me in shape. You know what I'm saying? It's like this. You don't got no time to play around because Bill was one of those comics.

[2:39:08] white dudes would do the fucking most grimiest spots ever and i'm pretty sure he's always going to be a great comic but i think that that helped build his character like i think that was probably what made him be in a position where he go to philly like you know fuck y'all i just did don ell's fucking hood club in brooklyn right if i can handle that i can handle that well that rant in philly was because he was doing the opie and anthony tour so when opie and anthony their [2:39:38] foot hill tony's way worse yeah way worse that they had sort of fed into that crowd they they fostered that crowd [2:39:47] They called them the pests. But then, even going back to what I was saying, in this career, sometimes you have situations that have a defining moment. And that was one of those things. I'm pretty sure everybody with him before, Bill was throwing a towel in it. He was like, fuck that. But Bill was built for him. What happened was Dom Herrera went on. And, you know, Dom Herrera's a legend. How's he doing, man? He's hurting. Yeah, he's hurting. He's got whatever that neurological condition is, it's not good. I mean, I don't want to speak out of turn about his... [2:40:17] his health, but it's not good. But [2:40:21] Dom, they booed Dom. [2:40:23] They were just rough. They wanted you to fail. And Bill went up and go, fuck you. And he just went into this crazy rant. You know who else had a moment like that? Who? Bernie Mac. Did he? Oh, on Def Jam. Yeah. I ain't afraid of you motherfuckers. Yeah. Boom. You know how that was born? Why? Why?

[2:40:41] first off, Martin Lawrence was the host and that night [2:40:45] everybody was taking licks, right? And there was another, it was a comment from D.C. named Butch Burns, right? He was very popular in D.C. Butch Burns went on stage and bombed so bad. Motherfuckers throwing shit. There was nothing that Martin could do. You know how sometimes you try and you're like, just, whoop, you're on your own, right? It's like, whoop-de-doo, right? So, Butch Burns had bombed. The room was going crazy. Martin couldn't do anything. Next on deck was fucking [2:41:15] Butch Burns on the way out. He told him he was like, listen, man, hold your head up, man. He said the sun might not shine on your day, but it's you'll have another opportunity to shine. And the reason he didn't plan on I'm scared of you, motherfuckers. [2:41:28] And then Bernie had a situation go through because Bernie was on Def Jam before. He dressed in a suit and everything. He was looking like a Chicago player, but he didn't think that he connected with a young audience like that. So you even watch the way he was dressed from the previous show to the next one. Yeah. The next one, he had more of a hip outfit, had graffiti on the jeans. He was dressed up for that part of it. No idea. I ain't scared of you motherfuckers. He did have the energy that he was going to do, the connection he was going to have with the DJ, right? [2:41:58] explosive is that he said fuck y'all. He said he did his joke and didn't, that's why you hear like, why was he saying I ain't scared of you motherfuckers? It was because of the other shit. He said I ain't scared of you motherfuckers.

[2:42:12] Kick it! Boom, boom, boom. He said, what did he say? And it was such the most simple stock jokes. Bernie was so powerful. So powerful. So powerful. The rhythm that he had and the fact that you knew that something was special would happen, that's why that fucking audience looked, was so fucking charged up because he said, fuck y'all. I saw Bernie live once at the Comedy Connection in Faneuil Hall in Boston. I remember that club. He was on fire. [2:42:42] him at... So powerful. First time I saw him at... [2:42:45] Comedy Connection at Greenbelt. I used to do this club, and it was a couple of people that just come through, and I was like, these motherfuckers are the next level. It was him. Another person that was like that was George Wallace. Oh, yeah. You know another person that was like that? Rich Voss. Oh, yeah. Yo, George Wallace. First off, I knew George Wallace was on the next level. I've never seen anybody go to the comedy club, and the deal he had was 100% of the door. Wow. Everything. You just get your drinks, your chicken wings, 100% of the door. They had to give it to him. Wow. [2:43:15] George Wallace has always been an older dude, right? Somebody said, you know his thing is your mama jokes, right? Somebody had did a mama joke and motherfucking George Wallace ripped off about 30 mama jokes. I felt so bad for him. And then Rich Voss fucking, Rich Voss fucked me up because I'd never seen a white comedian perform at his club. It was a black club. Rich Voss came in. He had a ponytail similar to Jamie's, right? He had jerry curls. No, Rich Voss had a ponytail.

[2:43:45] wearing when I right just say it was rich bosses right and I saw a French boss go up there and destroy this crowd I was like this white dude don't know what's going on and he fucking [2:43:56] Killed that shit. [2:43:57] You know, we talk about joke stealing, right? [2:44:01] I've never, I stole one joke. [2:44:04] in my life and I apologize to Rich Falls I was doing a show and none of my jokes worked I tried yo I tried everything I tried everything and I said to myself what joke have you heard I didn't mean to steal right I borrowed it okay I said what one joke you know that fuck will be [2:44:25] kill this audience and rich fosters had this joke he said you know what they say once you go black you never go back he said yeah because your father won't let you back in the house right i stole that joke i got him laughing i got him back on track and then i had to call boss i said man i'm so sorry i said it's going to get back to you but i stole the joke and he was like no no problem with it well at least you admitted it yeah i did [2:44:52] All right. I think we accomplished a lot. This was therapy for me. I think it was good for you. Stay out of the comments. I'm going to stay out of the comments. Remember that podcast we did with RZA? No, don't do that. They still talk shit to me. I grabbed you at the end of the podcast and said, that was great. Don't read the comments. Exactly. That was a long time ago. I've been giving you that advice for a long time. You did tell me don't. But the part of that story people don't know is that,

[2:45:19] I did my podcast early. I hadn't seen my son in like two and a half weeks. I was on a road. And I came straight there, straight to the podcast to do it, right? And then I was like, you was like, yo, you want to hang out? This is what people don't know. This is the side you don't tell them. [2:45:35] You invited me. You invited me. I did invite you. You said that Riz is going to come. Well, we were having a good time. We did a podcast together. We were hanging out. And I said, are you going anywhere? I'm doing a podcast with Riz next. You want to hop on? [2:45:50] I thought it would be fun. I thought it would be fun. It was. It was fun. I would like to tell my side of the story. [2:45:56] We already did. We've done this many times. I think like every other podcast we do, you tell your side of the story. I'm never going to say this again, Joe. [2:46:04] I was going to leave. And I was like, man, fuck Wu-Tang, man. I'm going to send my son. Right? And I'm leaving out. And as soon as I get ready to get my car... [2:46:13] The RZA comes out and this motherfucker said, "What's up, Ashy Larry?" and I said, "Fuck my son, I'm fucking with the Wu-Tang, right?" And I didn't, but it was a good time. It was fun. But what people don't understand is, [2:46:27] Before we did that, Rizzo said, yo, yo, bong, bong, bong. I got this idea, right? I said, well, he said, I'm going to do these jokes. They're going to be. He was trying to pitch jokes. He was on the joke. And I was like, please don't do that. [2:46:39] I was like, please don't do that. And we sat down. And of course, it went. I had a good time. But people's like, you just ruined it. You ruined it. You just ruined it. But shout out to the Rizzo. It was fun. It was a good time. It was fun. And thanks for whenever I call you.

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